Discussion in 'Current News' started by Piacevole, Apr 22, 2008.
Okay, I can see letting some people in with MINOR crimes, but felons? In order to become a felon, that person had to of done something seriously wrong.
For example, in order to become a felon for stealing, one has to steal something pretty valuable, not just a pack of gum or a CD. Im talking something worth over a thousand bucks. I don't know about anyone else, but I most certainly wouldn't want to be standing alongside or above a convicted felon.
I don't think the numbers justify it. Seriously, manslaughter and sex crimes?!
Not so, I have a couple of friends who super-glued another friend's sh!t (slippers, stapler, etc.) to his wall and our RA ended up overreacting and calling the cops. The cop said they could each be charged with a felony but wouldn't be since the victim didn't really care all that much.
I do agree with you in the respect that I don't want to be serving alongside certain people that commit more serious crimes though.
Were you friends convicted? No, they weren't even charged. In your friends' situation, if they were charged with breaking and entering, burglary, criminal damage to property or whatever the charges may be, there is no way in hell a DA would have not cut them a deal like community service or such in return for the crime not being put on their record or dropping it to a lower offense.
Okay seriously, I used to work in law enforcement and although someone might have potential to be charged with a felony it is highly unlikely someone would actually be convicted of it for a minor or first time offense. Especially in your friends situation, the cop was trying to scare them and had absolutely no intention of actually charging them with a felony, I see it done everyday.
Making terrorist statements... is waiverable?!
Here's the thing - you may never know, and after you find out - you may be surprised how your feelings change. I knew a guy with a felony conviction waiver, but I didn't find out about it for quite some time. There's still no one I'd rather have standing next to me in combat. Stand up guy, who proved that his waiver was well worth it.
I might be wrong, but I think making terroristic statements is simply making threats. For example if someone says they are going to kill someone or if they say they are going to "blow this place up." Things of that nature which are typically said when someone is really mad. I can see those being waiverable.
My sentiments exactly.... typically these guys who have gotten in and want this lifestyle are standup warriors leaving their past behind and have a bizarre firm loyalty
Good point - I didn't think that sort of thing would actually result in a felony convinction, but I could see how that might happen.
We have some felons that haven't been caught yet working amongst us, so I don't sweat the issue too much.
If it's a waiverable offense, then it's a waiverable offense.
A kid I grew up with in the suburbs of Denver...he was a really nice guy. We played baseball and football together. He seemed normal. His home life, however, was less than ideal. I remember one time his mom was dropping him off at school, and she ran over his foot. No one else saw it, and he toughed out the day with a broken foot. His dad came to our practices and called the kid an idiot when he made mistakes (We were about 11...so that's just dumb- at any age, really). He ended up running with a pretty bad crowd through our teenage years. Spent a couple of months in jail. He TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND after he was allowed into the Army. While I don't think that it's the role of government (read: US military) to rehabilitate ex-cons, I do believe that the people who want to join after getting into trouble in their adolescence are doing so for good reasons. It appears to me from what I've seen that they are very into the cause that they have taken up. While there are going to be d-bags that come into the military with a criminal waiver, you could probably say that there are plenty that come in without a criminal waiver.
No one deserves a second chance, but some are lucky enough to get one.
So what. He's an ALARMIST.
This article goes right along with that other one: "War dims hope for peace."
Yeah, really ... in the good ol' days, the worst you saw in the new recruits was auto theft.
Ahhhh ... progress.
Came in handy though. Especially when you needed an unauthorized vehicle from the motor pool or the GSE shop. Me, never! Well there was this one time, um maybe two times. Okay, okay all the time… We all did it! We didn’t need a car thief though; the keys were always left in the ignitions!?!
Had the duty, went out to get our duty truck, and it was nowhere to be found. I just walked next door and borrowed VF-45’s pickup for my run. (Box lunches for a det.) Hey… what? I put it back where I found it!
I know you’re kidding. But Judge’s would often offer service time to jail time in our day for lesser offenders. Served with a couple of those guys. Good men that turned around. I’m not kidding about absconding with unauthorized vehicles though. Don’t make me tell you about the gas.
My dad served in the Army as a cryptographer during the Korean War. He was one of a handful of enlisted men in his company that hadn't been "paroled" out of Leavenworth.
There was such a shortage of men when the war broke out that the Army resorted to using men who were serving time in the stockade, a la "The Dirty Dozen".
My dad remembers that there was one guy that had thin vertical scars running across his face. Apparently he reneged on a gambling debt and several guys held him down while another guy took a straight razor to his face.
Do they still do this? Because there are some OLD looking E-2's walking around NASP, and that was the explanation I always came up with....
Hhahaha, that's nothing. Our dorm used to shoot at eachother with paintball and airsoft guns...it got to the point where you couldn't come back from class without being armed. And one day somebody missed and accidentally shot out the fire sprinkler.
Nobody was charged with anything. *shrug*
Don't know, I've been out for now for a few years But seriously, they did in my day. The draft was still in effect and times were different. You couldn’t get homesick then and get dropped from boot camp. It was a turning point in the lives of some young men that I'd served with.
You were a fvckup you got sent to "Mickey Mouse Company” where you got your mind right or else! General , or even dishonorable discharges if that didn’t work. Most of the time "Mickey Mouse Company" worked.
I think I remember that...and if not, then something similar happened in my time...
Maybe they are trying to get more recruits from New Orleans.....
And back then once IN the squadron .... there was ALWAYS the option of "Chiefs' EMT" out behind the Ordnance Shack at the end of the day ....
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I have never known that particular "technique" to fail w/ young, confused, troubled airmen ...
Eh. But, what's a sex crime? Depending on a jurisdiction, it could be a felony to possess or purchase a sex toy or other sexual enhancements. Sex crimes is a rather blanket statement for a slew of crimes ranging from rape to sodomy to compelling the act of prostitution.
Where in this country is sodomy still illegal?
On every Military Base, at least according to the UCMJ. Just remeber Penetration, however slight, constitutes the act.
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