Marine Air contracts

You know you done fucked up right?

You just told a commissioned officer to fist himself. Now he doesn't need my help but I was so enraged by your little quip that I thought I should point out what a douche you are. The best part is that you have conveniently provided a picture of yourself to everyone here. You're a colossal dumb ass.

They're going to chew you up and shit your punk ass out at OCS. That is if you don't wet yourself during in-processing and cry until they let you go home.

In the future, you should keep in mind that you are a nasty candidate and that no one gives a flying fuck what you want or think about ANYTHING much less what aircraft you want to fly.

Happy Thanksgiving

If you think that's pain then stand by for Marine OCS, dude.

I'm new to this site, so I'm not quick to judge others... however I would recommend caution. This isn't an anonymous site. There are people on here that could very well be your instructors, your CO, or your competitors. This isn't your typical online dungeons and dragons forum where 'flame on' may sound cute or poignant, this is a site visited by professionals, the very professionals you wish to join.

Also, "Almost a Marine" is not a career. Being almost a Marine is like being almost queer. You are either a Marine or you are not. No offense to you, but in life it is much better to have people judge your character and merit off of your actions, not off of what you want people to think you are.

Step back, realize what your dealing with, where you are in life, and realize there is a difference in being cocky and confident. You're a kid with a PPL and a couple other endorsements. Being surrounded by non pilots, that may grow your dick by a half inch, but compared to what you'll be learning in primary, its a few months of work.



Other than that, welcome.

well fuckin said

Ok gentlemen let's get something straight. I am a young motivated and intelligent kid that knows the difference between confidence and arrogance. And I guess I should not be surprised by the hostility coming from everybody, seeing as how most of you are trained aeronautical merchants of death... but I am surprised. I was trying to start a discussion with people who have the same interests as I do, and I get a mouthful of shit in return.

I have always had a tremendous amount of respect for the men and women that fly for the military. But if a year down the line someone judges me for something that happened on an online forum, that really says more about them than me, despite the fact that they might indeed be my superiors. I realize that after I sign the dotted line I'll be forced to take your insults, but for now, in this detached way of conversation, I don't have to.

All that being said, I'm sorry I offended anybody and expressed an opinion about a certain aircraft. I know that I came off as an arrogant little shit, but realize that people are completely different in an online chat room than they are in real life. My real attitude is much better expressed in person than through this forum. If we do meet up face to face and you're still raw about it, I'll buy you a drink to bury the hatchet.

Everybody lighten up. Quit giving the kid shit and flaming just for flamings sake. That's what turns people away from this site from time to time.

He's young, motivated, and touched a nerve with a few of you, particularly you Osprey guys. Take it for what it is.......youthful ignorance.

As for commissioned officers being treated like professionals, it helps if you act like one. Telling a kid to go fist himself probably doesn't fall into that category.

I think that "likewise" was perfectly fine. He could have said a lot worse.

So you're saying if you are a Marine you are queer?

I guess there does seem to be at least one Marine on here that is into fisting and he can't figure out if he flies a helo or an airplane so the corollary makes sense in his case.....

I agree with What Harrier Dude said although the video was a little over the top as an introduction....

That's not much time for such a sweet certification. I've been thinking about finding an aerobatic school up here in Seattle.

It looks like I'm coming a little late to the party, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) I agree with Harrier Dude 100%. Lighten up.

I usually forgo the need to type stuff in lieu of a private chuckle and not being a post whore. However, we have all seen the trolls come here and spout off from time to time. There is a certain flow to the posts on Airwarriors and certain statements take us from casually sipping our coffee to veins protruding from forehead. Ol Steve-o needed a swift ass-kicking to set him straight on how things run in the military, his first indoctrination on needing thick skin to survive and thrive in this environment so to speak. Hopefully his 'feelings' aren't hurt too bad and he can become a productive member not only on this forum, but in the Marine Corps as well... So, in effect, welcome to the forum stevetheaircontractbarringIpassmyflightphysicalOCSTBSAPIprimaryadvancedpilot...

I agree w/ the Aggie-Marine. Thank God he's not Polish, too ... ( I had one once; a STUD -- I kid you not -- he was all 3 ... a virtual hat trick).

I CAME INTO THE NAVY WANTING TO FLY JETS AND BE A LIFE-TAKER AND A HEART-BREAKER. I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO FLY THE FRIGGIN' OSPREY -- OR A HELO -- OR A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS. But when it came right down to it -- I would have flown any of 'em if that was the hand that was dealt me.

Deal with that ...

Most of you guys who are tryin' to be assholes on this thread are just beginners. This is kid stuff. Rookies ....

If you want a lesson on how to be an asshole -- come listen to the experts ...

Yeah, but, yeah, but: neither is flyin' 747's ... but imagine experiencing the pure homoerotic male-bonding joy of life when he wakes up and finds we've got OUR shirts off !!! ... .

Damn.

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That is a nice Picture by the way A-4'a.

Steve...

watch this vid clip, (specifically 1:57 into it) I think you might have a new moniker...
and welcome aboard.

Hey now, us Polaks have feelings too (when we're sober).

Yeah, that feeling is called a hangover.

How many air contracts actually make it through to fly?

Also between OCS, the Flight physical, TBS, API, Primary, Intermediate and Advanced, which take out the most?

Anyone with a two-part username fails. You also have to Contribute to AirWarriors or else Steve will pull strings and fail you. God hates you because you have a jet / Blue Angel in your avatar.

Flying vs. Racing/High Performance driving...

Do military aviators necessarily make talented racers/drivers and do talented racers make good military aviators?

Hopefully all of you can help me out with the second question. As someone with nearly 10 years of racing experience (before someone notices my age and jumps at the chance to call BS, I started racing karts at 10), including lots of instructing in recent years, I can answer the first, and it's no. Of course there are exceptions as with every group, but military aviators seem to follow the general trend in terms of learning curve, and in the end, ratio of fast vs. slow. I think they should be more adept at it, and should pick it up quicker but that doesn't seem to be the case. The culprit, at least in my experience, and that of fellow instructors, is attitude. Maybe some of you can chime in here and shed some light on it, but there seems to be a lack of willingness to listen and take instructions. This would doom your typical student, but it ends up balancing out due to an aptitude and feel for controlling a vehicle of any sort. Of course now you're asking how do you know whose just a private pilot and whose a military aviator, etc. Everytime you get a new student you ask them questions about, prior experience, hobbies, career, etc. This helps give you an idea of what your dealing with. Ohhhh and oddly enough, the only anomyly is ski racers, although don't ask me why....

Maybe a more appropriate question would be- "Do above average/talented military aviators necessarily make good racers/drivers?" Unfortunately the sample size is not that large, and it's a little odd asking the person sitting next to you in the drivers seat (remember your about to put your life in their hands), so are you just an average pilot or an above average pilot...

Now how is this important or relevent? It's recommended that you contribute, as opposed to just asking questions, so the first part of this was my contribution to any of you who want to go racing some day (and incase you missed the point, LISTEN TO YOUR INSTRUCTORS ).

Here's the second part, I've mentioned this before, but the reason I'm signing up and going into Marine aviation is not because I'm an aviation nut. I haven't been dreaming about planes night and day since I was a little boy, nor do I know that much about aviation. I have always felt a duty to serve and feel my skill set that has been developed over the last 10 years in racing would best be put to use in aviation. I could very well be sacrificing any remote chance I have at racing pro, but it's one I'm willing to make. What is that skill set, and how is it relevent to aviation (if at all)? Well I was hoping maybe all of you could help me out on that.

Car control- This is just a general feel for the vehicle. Alot of people just don't have this, and it's difficult to learn, if not impossible. It's the ability to know where the edge is, and control your vehicle on that edge (when necessary) with out exceeding it.

Precision- It's the ability to place the car EXACTLY where it need to be, within inches at 100mph +. To do this you have to know right where all the corners of the car are.

Discipline- The ability to do the above, lap after lap, for hours on end depending on the length of the race. It's also involves controlling your emotions, despite what you see in movies or NASCAR, this is very important. If you want your car to last, and not to get hurt you need to control the "red mist" as we call it.

Scanning- Always having your head on a 360 degree swivel, checking your mirrors, left and right, knowing right where the other cars in close proximity are and whats going on around you.

Vision- Relates to scanning, your never looking right in front of you or at your nose, always as far as you can see, giving you time to react. The other thing you learn is to look where you are headed.

Concentration- The ability to hit your marks and be precise after many hours in the car, one screw up or lapse and your in the grass, wall or another car. Also if you do the math, generally 10-20 corners, lap times from 1-2:30 minutes, a braking zone before the corner, turn in, apex and turn out, it doesn't give you alot of time to screw off and think about what you had for breakfast.

General Mechanical Knowledge- Just what it sounds like, car break, you have to work on them, set them up for optimal performance. Dialing in adjustments etc. Although I mostly developed that from working and being around my dads shop (repair shop for Porsche/BMW) since I was 12.

There are many others, but those impress me as the most pertinent.

btw. most of my experience is not oval racing (NASCAR), it's from road racing, courses that go left and right, sports cars or formula cars, run rain or shine, 1,2,4,6,12,24 hour races, etc.

I'm looking forward to everyones input,

Mike


Mods- Feel free to move this to the war zone, or another forum if it's more appropriate there.

I can't speak to cars -- but as for boats?? The answer, speaking from experience, is a decided: YES !!! As a motor skill set learned in the air -- when applied to the water in a hydro format -- one can discern very, very subtle changes in speed, yaw, relative motion, and boat angle that some of our more land-locked brethren (and sisters) have never experienced. We're light years ahead of "them" in "seat-of-the-pants" skills ... airborne or water borne.

Although I don't "know" race cars ... I DO know a pit crew member with an Indy 500 team ... he was formerly a plane captain on the Blues ... he once was telling me about Indy racing and Indy drivers and Indy egos ...

He allowed when comparing it to his Navy experience: "These guys (Indy drivers) think they know SPEED ??? HAH!! They don't have a clue about what REAL speed is like ..."