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I know several people that held dual citizenship before joining the military or getting a TS SCI clearance and in all cases they had to officially renounce their citizenship and give up their passports, there were no exceptions. Whether or not the country recognizes your renunciation you can't really do anything about, you have done your part, as long as you never utilize/use that citizenship during your service if it is still in effect. I do know that some countries do not recognize a renunciation and if you finish your service and are under no more obligations to the government, you could get your passport back. Just don't think about doing it while in the service or while holding a TS SCI, it will cause you big trouble.

The US does not recognize dual citizenship but it does not really care if you hold citizenship (or a passport) from another country either unless it somehow conflicts with your US citizenship. You renounce your citizenship in other countries if you take the US oath of citizenship but it is not really enforced, as long as there is not a conflict. It is not like some countries however, like Japan, that expressly forbid dual citizenship and will revoke it if you take citizenship in another country.

My wife has been treated much better by customs/immigration than me in some cases when we have gone overseas. Other than that, not much.

What is Special about the canadian passport?

It is regarded as one of the, if not the, best passport to hold. Think about it. Who has problems with Canada? No one other than maybe the creators of South Park. Who does Canada have problems with? No one, at least that I know of. Heck Canadians can go to Cuba and even bring home the cigars!!

Anyway, I will give it up if I am told I must to become an officer, but I am proud to be Canadian, and I always will be. I couldnt have asked to grow up in two better countries frankly.

Oh and on a side note, it is estimated that the Canadian government will be out of national debt. Maybe I should move back, it'll be like Dubai, just really cold!

Thanks for the help guys and dont believe everything about Canada that you see on South Park!

Hey Goldie Hawn! My brother used to play hockey with her son!

Anyways, I understood that once you get to the point of being measured for the planes, you are already committed. I say it is "shady" becuase i think that they should make sure that you are qualified as much as possible, before you are asked to committ. NOw I understand that they cannot predict someone having a sudden and new heart problem that was not caught before, and I understand being reomoved for failing OCS, TBS or flight school, but if I understand correctly, you could end up committing only to find out that you are not physical qualified by something as simply as Thumb tip reach?

My wife is Canadian and feels the same way you do, but I would advise that you watch what you say here and among your possible future colleagues. I know that it might all seem in good fun but when you sign up to serve this country, especially as an officer, you cannot have divided loyalties. This includes close allies like Canada. The US government takes this all very seriously, especialyl since it has cost us dearly in the past, and even now I have to report every contact I have with my wife's coworkers, who are all Canadians. I can't emphasize enough how serious our government and members of the US military take loyalty to our country.

If you don't think Canada is not a target for some then you are sorely mistaken.

On a personal note, talking up Canadian 'way of life' will not get you very far in the pretty conservative officer corps. There is an enormous amount of respect for the Canadian military, now fighting in Afghanistan, but the social democratic model of government that Canada follows is not too popular here.

P.S. You might want to rethink that debt claim:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8081048

Hello Airwarriors.

Hello Airwarriors,

This is my first post, although I've been reading these forums for quite some time. Just stopping in to introduce myself. I'm a USMC officer candidate looking to get an air contract for OCC 201. I passed the ASTB, MEPS physical, crossed the t's and dotted the i's. My OSO is waiting on me for the PFT and the trip to Pensacola for the flight physical.

Just like every other hotshot out there I'm looking to fly the F/A-18. But on the other hand, I'd be happy flying just about anything... except the Osprey.

Here's a link to my various shenanigans. http://www.youtube.com/user/stevethepilot


So thats me in a nutshell. Flame on.

- Steve

I like the aerobatics videos. What does a check ride entail?

Who was the wimpy voice saying "that hurts man..."
Ummmm I'll just not say any more lest I hurt someones feelings in this new and more touchy feely world.
Damn

Ignorance is bliss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Canadianism

If the maple syrup and igloos are really that much fun maybe you should join the Canadian military.

I went through this forum for a day or two before I decided to join it so that I could ask some questions that concerned me. When I was reading a few threads I noticed that for one reason or another some of the peoples replies were seemingly unbecoming of any Marine Corps Officer that I have ever met. However I joined because I thought that I could gain some much needed advise, and I have gained some great knowledge through these forums.

On the other hand, comments like the one above disgust me. I have stated that I am eager to become a Leader of Marines, and I am willing to take all necessary steps, however it is discouraging to see such bigoted and ignorant comments like:

If the maple syrup and igloos are really that much fun maybe you should join the Canadian military.

My first question to this poster, is where is your respect for a young man trying to earnestly join your ranks?
Secondly, where is you respect for a nation that has been helpful to America in every major conflict it has ever entered?
And lastly, have you ever even been to Canada?

One the other hand, the comments about being careful about what I say while around members of the corps. I am glad that I was able to hear this. I think that that will prove to be great advice starting from the day I go back to visit my OSO till the day I retire from the Corps. So thank you for being honest in that regard.

Yes, I do love Canada. Yes, I am proud of my heritage. Yes, I do understand the predicament that any officer with prior relations with a foreign nation is in.

If and when I join the US Military Forces, it is apparent that I will be giving up my Canadian citizenship, and although I will always be very fond of Canada, once I renounce it, my loyalties will be clear. I am proud to live in America, I am proud and glad that I am receiving an American education, and most importantly I am greatful that America is willing to offer me a place in their military.

Bottom line! Once I renounce my citizenship to become an officer, although I may still love the nation to the north, I will be a full America, as much as anyone of you. I will devote myself to this service, and I will make all necessary sacrifices. So with that being said, please say your haste for others. Save it for those who deserve it. And do not speak ill of someone who wants nothing more than to stand by your side as a fellow American.

It took me a total of 5 hours of flight time plus 3 hours of ground to be certified for aerobatics in the Grob 115c. Most aerobatic aircraft are taildraggers, in which case it would probably take 10 hours or more in the SuperD, depending on how good you do and/or the hour requirements made by the company that insures it. I think the Pitts has a 400 hour (total) requirement just to solo.

That was my wimpy voice. Bring the pain. ..|.,

Having a Canadian passport can be very useful, even for US diplomats...

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1420&fuseaction=topics.item&news_id=116063

First off, chill out. While to an outsider some of the comments here might seem a little disrespectful or even mean, they are often done in the same jovial banter that often goes on in a squadron ready room.

And I am sorry, but if you think that this is biogoted and ignorant.....

.....you really need to sit back, relax and take it easy. You will endure much worse in the real military, with every bad Canadian joke and worse probably thrown at you, but it rarely has a real bite behind it. Once people stop making fun of you, that is when you worry. Until then, sit back and take it with a grin until you learn to give as good as you get.

You don't demand or even ask for respect, you earn it.

You need to brush up on your American and Canadian history. From the Revolutionary War (or, if you want to get technical, the Spanish-American War) to the war in Iraq, Canada has chosen not to fight alongside Americans. I am not arguing if they were good or bad decisions, but those are the facts.

As long as you know that, you are good.

@ Greencard Haha, why would you get that angry about somebody taking a jab at Canada ..and then laugh at that?

Look man, a thick skin is a good thing to have, and (assuming you are male), friends/colleagues will make fun of anything they can..and in a type of setting where you are going to have a close bond with other people...stand by for even worse than what you read from CWJones.

In all my years in team sports...I don't think a day went by where we didn't rag on each other about something..whether it be that your mom is a MILF (and what they want to do to her)...or that I'm a "raghead"...or even worse if you have a younger sister that happens to be hot (and what they want to do to her).

First of all OU check out this site for starters.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7897

Then I want to you to realize that the reason that I can laugh at one thing or another is the fact that one thing came from someone saying it about themselves, where as the other one came from someone else towards me.

Growing up in the US, I have put up with every joke and hasty remark that there is about Canada. It is not the jokes, it is the context. Here I am trying to find out information about how to best go about joining this guys military, and explaining my citizenship situation, and he tells me I should go back to Canada because I am fond of it??? That seems a little more than a joke.

Yes I have played sports and been ragged about it, I have gone through the entirety of my high school and college careers hearing it, and I have worked off shore hearing it. So I have heard it from anyone. I cant say from experience that a ready room is better or worse than an oil rig, but the jokes and such offshore are something else. I have jovially put up with and laughed with the best and worse of them all, but when someone says that you should go back to Canada and join their military and adds some ignorant comments with it, then , yes, I will bite back a little. I have made it clear that I want to join the American military and I was just searching for a little clarity on issues that I will soon be facing.

As far as respect goes, I believe that anyone who posts on this forum with clear intention about joining the forces should automatically be given some respect. They have earned it, now matter how little respect it may be, simply by saying that they would like to serve. I hope that clears up the respect issue.

On one last note, as you read the thread, you will notice that there are comments from a bunch of individuals, and the only two that are not helpful are from you and Jones. So while I appreciate the help of others, I do not appreciate the criticism for liking my homeland, or for saying that someone should show a little respect.

I have thick skin, thick enough to take most things, but as far as I know disrespect is not one of the values that marines live by!

BDCP here, renounced second citizenship before final select for the sake of my clearance and for final select.

My advice? You're becoming an officer in the United States military. Make your loyalty clear by giving it up, even if you think you can get away with keeping it. I know it was made very clear that I had to renounce and that this is SOP for BDCP guys.

Dear Liberal-ass Socialist Do-gooder,

I am tired of being one of the world's biggest pussies and the icicles hanging from my dick every time I pee have got to go. I can no longer stomach the we are the world kumbaya elitist bull shit of the seal loving eco-freaks, queer lovers, draft dodger lovers, ugly fucking Eskimos and hairy ass French. I've decided to haul my ass south to the good old USA where my turds makes a slight plop instead of a mighty frozen splash when I take a shit. Besides, I want to be a part of a military that is dedicated to killing instead of cuddling the fundamentalist camel fuckers.....

In closing, cram your Canadian citizenship up your ass, eh?

Nuke'em til the glow.

Sincerely,
Yut Yut

(You do need to chill out and develop a sense of humor. OUSOONER seems to get it. Why can't you?)

Wow well done! I am know glad that I know what I am getting myself into! I realyy hope that this isnt a clear representation of the mc!

I just wanted a little help, not an ass-chewing.

Not Marine - Navy. But we are a better class of asshole.

You got your answers but can't seem to comprehend them.

BTW, the neg rep is meaningless, eh?

I am sorry, I must not have found the clear message in your first post, other than the lovely amount of piss jargon and insulting humor.

What I don't comprehend is why you are an asshole when you could have just said welcome to the forum.

You will go far in Naval Aviation with that thin skin. I thought northern types had thick skin..

I understand that there is much that I will hear and have to put up with when I join up, but what I still fail to understand is why I have to hear that crap hear?? I am only trying to learn more about what it takes, and instead, I am being thrown under the bus by a couple of guys who are getting their rocks off my trying to make fun of my heritage.

This just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that most people would ecpect to hear when they are looking into any new job.

So if anyone can explain to me how you have good reason to be hateful, without provocation, towards a hopeful aviator then maybe I will better understand this tact.

I was joking around and you dug yourself into a hole. The more you dig the more I throw the dirt back in. It's like scratching a mosquito bite.....

And the same thing will happen when you actually get in the military. Your reaction is just one way reputations are made and callsigns are born.

Get used to it. Naval Aviators are bloodthirsty SOBs that jump on weakness. But we're also great friends who stand with each other to the bitter end when the chips are down.

Learn the difference and get a sense of humor. This is a learning experience for you. Take it as such.

BTW I spent 2 years flying a 727 with Iranian FEs and became good friends with them. I have beers with them everytime I have a LAX layover. They would die laughing at my original letter and take it with the humor in which it was meant.

And I've worked with quite a few Canadians both with a UN mission and in the P-3 world. I have nothing but respect for the Canadian military.

In aviation every little thing you do wrong or have weird about you will be mercilessly heckled.

Deal with it. You flip-top-headed Canuck.

Well, at least this thread has taken a turn for the hilarious.

If USCIS wouldn't expedite naturalization papers for an active duty officer (was a citizen - just didn't have the notarized and frame-worthy certificate), don't count on any special treatment just because you're applying to be an officer.