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OCS Low Undergrad GPA, masters degree, prior civilian legal trouble, good conduct enlisted

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You'd better have some serious shit up on GitHub if you're ever trying to get in as a developer with two non-technical degrees, one internship, and no formal CS training. If you impressed the company where you interned and they want to hire you, great. Otherwise, getting in as a non-traditional hire isn't easy when you're up against one of the metric shit-ton of CS grads who are known quantities. Not impossible if you can get an interview and rock it. But getting the interview won't be easy . . .

What you say is largely true but you'd be surprised there's tons of exceptions. I can't speak for other industries, but in the tech industry, companies ironically seem to be more liberal with who they hire to be developers than other industries (SW devs are needed practically everywhere these days). GPA and major aren't as often considered as in other industries. So you'll see tons of non-CS/non-STEM people who went to a "coding boot camp" get hired. I've also seen lots of people who completed BA's in social sciences complete a dozen courses in a Master's mostly involving reading publications (as grad school basically is) and a few very basic undergraduate courses to learn how to code and get hired at top companies despite having no experience, little formal education, and understandably subpar development skills. Then there's people who did neither of these things and frankly it comes down to "who you know", which plays a huge role. As crazy as it sounds, lots of companies and teams are willing to overlook a lack of proper education in the science and theory of CS and proper engineering abilities if you can "code". Race-based hiring practices by hiring managers who tend to be very ethnic in their hiring decisions is also extremely common, but that's another can of worms.

In general, if you can pass nervewracking whiteboard interviews asking you to write some code for some problems and riddles, you're in. PO2 can get interviews, and if he can pass some whiteboard shenanigans decently, he'll most certainly get a job. However, the flip-side is they are seldom easy, and depending on the individuals/teams interviewing you, they can be insanely difficult even with dozens of hours of dedicated preparation. Overall, you'll find them to be harder than interviews for other engineering fields.

Also there's tons of testing, validation, and other work that requires no development skills and they'll pretty much pick up anyone. I work at a major tech corporation and in my first team, I was the only one who had any SW development skills and frankly the only person who had any engineering skills in general, yet everyone on the team had CS degrees. It also meant I had the most work by far.

With all of that said, you typically should study CS if you want to be a software dev, whether it's script kiddie stuff or proper heavy-duty software engineering. It will just make everything a whole lot easier.

PO2, worst case scenario, kick ass at what is a top 10 law school by any measure and come in as a JAG, and honestly I have to commend you on your dedication and resolve especially if you decide to go active duty as lawyers (especially in some of the more lucrative areas) make far too much money for military service to be a practical decision.
 

exNavyOffRec

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So am I showing off or listing my stats, please pick one? I thought I was trying to prove I've turned my life around since 2009, sorry if you think it's showing off.

For the record people get BAs and MAs in liberal arts. A humanities degree is a humanities degree. There's a difference, I think I would know, I've been around academia more recently than you.

No one is saying that you haven't turned things around over the past many years, we are just saying that unlike other professions the past sticks with you. I can't tell you how many good people I met that were not able to apply because of something that happened years ago, we are just saying to have realistic expectations and to have other things in mind. There have been many times where a person looks at the chances and decides to go for a designator with a higher chance of selection.

The thing is we often run into those that are on AD that get just plain bad advice from their commands, such as "if you are AD the boards occur all the time", "GPA doesn't matter for those on AD" and my favorite is the guy who was told by his command that he could apply for CEC with a BA in History because "type of degree doesn't matter if you are on AD" the best part is the guys application had been completely signed by the COC and was waiting to submit to NRC.

A good recruiter tells the candidate how it is and doesn't blow smoke up a candidates ass, it just waste time for all involved.
 

Judge Q

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my favorite is the guy who was told by his command that he could apply for CEC with a BA in History because "type of degree doesn't matter if you are on AD"

Do you think they'll let me apply for CEC with a BA in History as a pure civilian? :D

I think that gold Seabee pin looks pretty neat.
 

robav8r

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So am I showing off or listing my stats, please pick one? I thought I was trying to prove I've turned my life around since 2009, sorry if you think it's showing off.

For the record people get BAs and MAs in liberal arts. A humanities degree is a humanities degree. There's a difference, I think I would know, I've been around academia more recently than you.
You have a 42% chance of getting selected. And I would not want you, or your attitude in my wardroom. Sounds like Berkley might be the better option . . . .
 

PO2 Alexander

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You have a 42% chance of getting selected. And I would not want you, or your attitude in my wardroom. Sounds like Berkley might be the better option . . . .
I wouldn't want to be in your ward room either. I'm still applying no matter how hard you try to talk me out of it. If i don't get accepted I'll get my law degree at Berkley and do the DCO jag route. I'll find a way or make one.
 

PO2 Alexander

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No one is saying that you haven't turned things around over the past many years, we are just saying that unlike other professions the past sticks with you. I can't tell you how many good people I met that were not able to apply because of something that happened years ago, we are just saying to have realistic expectations and to have other things in mind. There have been many times where a person looks at the chances and decides to go for a designator with a higher chance of selection.

The thing is we often run into those that are on AD that get just plain bad advice from their commands, such as "if you are AD the boards occur all the time", "GPA doesn't matter for those on AD" and my favorite is the guy who was told by his command that he could apply for CEC with a BA in History because "type of degree doesn't matter if you are on AD" the best part is the guys application had been completely signed by the COC and was waiting to submit to NRC.

A good recruiter tells the candidate how it is and doesn't blow smoke up a candidates ass, it just waste time for all involved.
It's a long shot for Intel, I'm well aware. But if I followed everyone's advice on here, I would just not apply and remain stagnant. I'm still applying regardless. The worst that happens is I remain in the Reserves, go to law school at Berkley and go the DCO jag route. And I have two more years for the aviation option with the age waiver I just received. I'll get commissioned one way or another. My legal trouble in 2009 and poor 2012 undergrad GPA doesn't define me as a person contrary to what many on here might think.

I asked a simple question about if my good conduct and grad school GPA might be considered over my performances in 2009 and 2012. I didn't ask for @RUFiO181 condescending sarcastic gut punches. @NavyOffRec you're the only one who truly kept it real, kept things professional, and kept things respectful. Thanks for being realistic and not being a dick (I sincerely mean that). So I appreciate your input. Intel and supply might be difficult but I'm going to try for it anyway. I still have my 9/11 GI bill, and will do the jag route at Berkley if things don't work out.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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So am I showing off or listing my stats, please pick one? I thought I was trying to prove I've turned my life around since 2009, sorry if you think it's showing off.

For the record people get BAs and MAs in liberal arts. A humanities degree is a humanities degree. There's a difference, I think I would know, I've been around academia more recently than you.

Keep on embarsssing yourself. It’s working.
It's a long shot for Intel, I'm well aware. But if I followed everyone's advice on here, I would just not apply and remain stagnant. I'm still applying regardless. The worst that happens is I remain in the Reserves, go to law school at Berkley and go the DCO jag route. And I have two more years for the aviation option with the age waiver I just received. I'll get commissioned one way or another. My legal trouble in 2009 and poor 2012 undergrad GPA doesn't define me as a person contrary to what many on here might think.

I asked a simple question about if my good conduct and grad school GPA might be considered over my performances in 2009 and 2012. I didn't ask for @RUFiO181 condescending sarcastic gut punches. @NavyOffRec you're the only one who truly kept it real, kept things professional, and kept things respectful. Thanks for being realistic and not being a dick (I sincerely mean that). So I appreciate your input. Intel and supply might be difficult but I'm going to try for it anyway. I still have my 9/11 GI bill, and will do the jag route at Berkley if things don't work out.

It’s spelled Berkeley. I really hope you didn’t spell it the wrong way in your law school application...
 

PO2 Alexander

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Keep on embarsssing yourself. It’s working.


It’s spelled Berkeley. I really hope you didn’t spell it the wrong way in your law school application...
Typo. But I was still accepted for a reason, what top 10 law school accepted you? But now that you have run out of gut punches let's be petty grammar nazis. Super mature.

You have extra periods after application. And since this is apparently formal writing only, the contractions are not used in good taste.
 
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Judge Q

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But I was still accepted for a reason, what top 10 law school accepted you?

Rufio actually got his JD at Yale, his LLM at Harvard and a BCL at Oxford. He then clerked on the DC Circuit and for Chief Justice Roberts before deciding to become a Navy officer recruiter for the hell of it and to qualify for PSLF. He scoffs at your California state school acceptance letters and thinking Chicago is in the Ivy League.

42% chance I just made all that up.
 

PO2 Alexander

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Rufio actually got his JD at Yale, his LLM at Harvard and a BCL at Oxford. He then clerked on the DC Circuit and for Chief Justice Roberts before deciding to become a Navy officer recruiter for the hell of it and to qualify for PSLF. He scoffs at your California state school acceptance letters and thinking Chicago is in the Ivy League.

42% chance I just made all that up.

And I guarantee he's probably at least 20 years older. My time will come. Chicago is number 3 in the country, so it's not ivy league, but it's ivy league calibre.

Get his balls out of your mouth, bragging about his accomplishments like you had something to do with it ???

I'll get commissioned one way or another, and I'm still going to apply, so you can die mad about it.
 
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And I guarantee he's probably at least 20 years older. My time will come. Chicago is number 3 in the country, so it's not ivy league, but it's ivy league calibre.

Get his balls out of your mouth, bragging about his accomplishments like you had something to do with it ???

I'll get commissioned one way or another, and I'm still going to apply, so you can die mad about it.

Judge Q was being sarcastic. He made that up.

Rufio may have a sharp tongue but you don't need to slash back. It doesn't achieve anything. Hell, he even called me Nemo one time, and it was so funny I put it under my avatar.
 

PO2 Alexander

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Judge Q was being sarcastic. He made that up.

Rufio may have a sharp tongue but you don't need to slash back. It doesn't achieve anything. Hell, he even called me Nemo one time, and it was so funny I put it under my avatar.

Haha my stupid self missed the sarcasm. Eh I just fight fire with fire. Eye for an eye I suppose. It's gratifying to argue with a stranger on the internet ???
 
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