Discussion in 'Enlisted Commissioning Programs' started by Beefalo, Jun 7, 2005.
Good luck with everything, let us know how it goes.
Some will say: "Come on time, wear your uniform properly and do your job". You need more to be a Naval Officer.
This is what you need:
Outstanding PRT (at least outstanding Low), outstanding Military bearing ( Ship Shape uniform at all time...shine your boots no matter what the others say), outstanding proof of Leadership (A school class leader or section leader, pass your test for third class the first time and try your best to make a difference), outstanding quals (Make yourself useful for your shop, Airwarfare, Seawarfare, plane captain, rating quals), outstanding evals (stick with the best, don't become a hater, promote the Navy, stay out of trouble...drinking and fraternisation are the big ones) and remember your goals. Put them on paper and stick to it.
At time, it will be hard (Temporary Assigned Duties, cleaning the shop, cruise, being away from Home) but it will make you stronger. Remember that it can always be better since you can only move up if you do the right things. Study, study and study is the only way to the top...my RDC was right about that.
Don't drop your guard and stick to your guns. When you submit your application, make sure that you pay attention to detail. Make sure you shine and you will be golden.
The sky is not the limit...be motivated and you will get what you want. Good luck!
Just thought Id give everybody an update. I am in C school right now in Pensacola. Im pretty anxious to get to my ship so I can start getting evals, getting warfare quald, proving my worth, etc.
As with alot of other people I know who are in the military its been hard to keep my focus on my goals. I know many people who join the military with high goals only to lose sight of them or find out the military is not as great as they thougt it would be. There are many days when I hate the Navy and tell myself Im getting out after my 6 years. But in the end my drive to be an officer keeps me motivated. It would be awesome to be in aviation but I wouldnt mind chipping paint as long I was an officer.
I know there isnt a whole lot I can do in C school that will look good in my package but I am trying. I volunteered to be an "e-mentor" for teenage children in urbran cities. I also got one of my former employers to write out a great LOR for me. Also studing for the ACT and planning on finishing up my AA (only need 25 more quarter credits, probably CLEP some) once I get to my ship. Im kinda upset I forgot to get my transcript from A school cuz my LPO put in it I was a "outstanding class leader and had exellent military bearing that reflected on others." Maybe I can call my old LPO and ask him to fax it to me? When I put in my package I want the board to know I was focused on getting my commission the day I swore into the Navy.
Sounds like your head in the right place, just keep your eyes on the prize and do the best you can do. Dont get let down if you fail to picked up at first, just keep trying, and trying some more. Oh, I wouldnt be too anxious to get to the ship, its not that fun.
-Print out the entire instruction, read it, read it again, and then read it a 3rd time. Highlight important or obscure sections so you don't pass over them (i.e. which way are the pages of your application supposed to face when printed out in landscape view? What kind of clip should and shouldn't you use when putting your package together?)
-In addition to the instruction, print out all applicable NAVADMINS that have amplifying instructions, such as the age limit updates, etc.
-Study for and take both the ACT and the SAT. The instruction clearly states either/or, so you can use whichever results are better. I got one of those cheezy study guides (Princeton Review, I think) and studied that for a few weeks before taking both tests back to back. I added 4 points to my ACT that way and cut a really decent score on the SAT for my first time taking it.
-College credit, 'nuff said. With your ET schooling, you won't be far off from an Associate degree. If you were so inclined, check out Excelsior College as they will accept pretty much ALL of your military schools as credit and you don't even need to take a class from them to get that degree. Some might call it hokey while others say you're just doing what you gotta do to get ahead. What looks better in an application: a degree or no degree?
-Warfare pin: get it and get it fast. Get dual qualed if you can.
-Volunteer work. It takes 3 straight years of volunteer work to earn the MOVM (volunteer medal). If you change commands, be sure to get any volunteer work you've done documented so you can continue on that 3 year period at your next command. That is one of the rarest medals below the Mavy/Marine Corps Medal you'll see in the fleet. I have yet to see one (although I've been told I have one coming my way).
-Start collecting documents. Send your mom out to your high school for a certified copy of your transcript. Hold off on the college transcripts if you are or plan on taking courses at the beginning of the year.
-Ask an Officer (with Paul Mooney). When you get to the ship, find out what officers are prior enlisted, find out which program they went through, and ask them for some guidance. Most of them will be happy to help.
-Start on that corny statement of desire now. As my OIC told me, "There isn't a personal statement out there that isn't corny."
-Be somewhat familiar with the field in which you wish to enter. That knowledge will be invaluable during your interviews and that murderous NRB.
Follow these steps and hopefully we'll see you posting at this time next year as a selectee.
(^ is that a cheesy way to sign off? Are you all on a first name basis around here, or just go by screen names?)
Ok couple more question for you guys. I get to my command in FEB but during the July 1 deadline my ship will be on deployment. Dont know if I can submit it while out to sea.
1. How long does it usually take to get your CO recommendation? Especially on a carrier when the CO will probably never even see you or know who you are.
2. How exactly do I setup interview boards and how long in advance should I request it? If im doing CORE do I still need to?
3. They changed ET A school recently where its all on CBT now. Since ACE hasnt reviewed this new method yet all of my A school credits say no reccomendation for credits. I got credits for boot camp and making Seamen but for making ET3 I got nothing. Will the SOCNAV schools still honor the credits? I was banking on these to help me finish my AA since I have most of the general ed requirements complete. Out of the 43 reccommend semester hours I looked over at navycollege.com for ET3 I have like 5 on my SMART transcript. Maybe a trip to the Navy college office will help.
Im not feeling too good about this year. Ill only be at my command for 5 months before the deadline so i prob wont have any evals or PFA scores. Im banking heavy on having a good ACT score, an AA or damn close to one, LOR from a former employer, and kicking ass in A school. I know ill have alot more stuff next fiscal year when ill have some evals, PFA, dual warfare hopefully, etc.
I'm sorry I can't answer much for you on your three questions but I do recommend that despite how unsure you are of your chances you still put a package together and apply. Simply applying for the program will help you to get your foot in the door at your command. My recommendation for you is to route a special request chit requesting to apply for the STA-21 program and requesting assignment of a mentor. This alerts everyone in your chain of command that you are interested in a commision, AND it shows that you recognize this is a difficult process and that you see the value in a mentor. Once your supervisors know your desires they will pay more attention to you and see the hard work you are doing. Of course if you slack off they will see that as well. Get their attention and give 100 percent everyday. Depending on how your command is structured you will need to coordinate either with your Command Career Counselor, your Officer Programs Coordinator, or both. Never accept no for an answer and never be afraid to ask questions. Really what I'm trying to say here is that you should never focus on what you don't have. Focus on the things you do have and sell yourself. Apply every chance you have. This is the mistake I made. I didn't think I was competitive so I didn't apply. Now I am 25 and can only apply with a waiver. Don't let opportunities pass you by. Seize them.
Yes, you can apply while at sea. As long as your app is mailed by the deadline you'll be fine.
You need to let your chain of command as soon as possible that you want to apply. You probably won't have to worry about setting up interviews. Most commands that large have a process published to let all applicants know the timeline and the steps to apply. Once they know how many applicants are applying for each designator, they set up the schedule of officers to conduct interviews for each program.
Sayre why cant you apply without a waiver? I thought the cutoff was 27. I am 22 right now.
Twidget I guess when I check onboard and my LPO, chief, or whoever asks me what my goals are I will def tell it them. Do you think that would be wise? After I get my basic quals out of the way my 3 main goals are STA-21, ESWS, EAWS.
Thinking about enrolling in one college class in the meantime. I really want to finish up my AA ASAP.
The STA-21 age cutoffs are based upon age at time of commissioning. My hubby had to get a waiver, he was 25 when he was selected.
My birthday is in August so I'll be 26 before results are announced next year, then you don't start school until summer or fall of the following year so I'll be 27 then. You need to have your degree complete by 27th birthday so I need the waiver. Makes it tough because I'm a Engineering major so I've had to pull some strings working with advisors and professors to fit everything in. As far as I know, NFO still goes up to 32 but it would be nice to stay in the sub community.
Yeah, absolutely let them know what you're after right away. You may catch some flack for it, but just stick to your guns and show them how motivated you are. Guess I should explain that a little. As a relatively new Sailor, many people are probably going to tell you to just worry about learning your job, getting your quals, etc. While that's true, you should do the best damn job you can at everything you're assigned, you can still have a long-term goal, and you definitely need to let your chain-of-command know. Make sure you talk to your divo about it when you have your interview. "From my experience", officers, especially prior enlisted officers, are MUCH more willing to assist with commissioning applications than LPOs or CPOs.
OK Beef, what gives?
You're still in "C" school right? Are you in X-division or the 1st Lt Division right now? Sounds like it by the way you describe your duties. Yes, that kind of work sucks! I had to do 45 days in the galley while waiting for my A-school classes, and several weeks of cleaning duty at various times in the training pipeline waiting to class up or to transfer.
Don't let the haters get you down. Stick to your plan and power through the tough times. You don't have to kill yourself to try to be perfect all the time. You need some down time to recharge. Just try to stay consistent. Put your goals and steps down in a planner, notebook, wallet, whatever, and make sure it's somewhere you're going to look at it. Try to set-up a timeline for the things you can do while waiting to get to your ship, and just do a little bit here and there. If you give yourself a deadline for your next little step you'll be able to reach it and move on to the next.
F'rinstance, if your goal is to submit a package for STA-21 and you know you need to make your record and evaluations look as good as possible, make a list of specific things you can do:
Complete NEETS Mod x by y date
Complete x chapters of ACT study guide by y date
Volunteer x hours at foodbank on Saturday
Complete NKO course x by y date
You can take it, whatever they put you through right now. Your first 18 months are by far the most difficult; getting through school, reporting to a new command, being the FNG, mess-cranking. It all sucks, but it's necessary on your road to success.
Ok I dont know how that response got in here I think you replied in the wrong thread Twidget.
I wasnt trying to discourage him. Just telling it how it is from my own experience. It can be done its just going to be harder IMHO but if he wants to be a mustang more power to him thats why I enlisted first.
I cut-and-pasted this into your thread because I didn't want to thread-jack his post with a response to you. I didn't have any problem with what you told Sayre. Just wanted drop you a post of encouragement since you sounded a little frustrated in the other thread.
Im registering for the ACT in FEB. Do I need to take the written part of the test or just the multiple choice?
Also I am registering online for the ACT. How exactly do I enter the ACT into my submission package? Is there a link for the ACT site or do I have to special request it?
Im only 2 classes away from my AA now. Banking on getting both my pins at the end of this year. Just got to stay motivated. My package is slowly growing.:icon_smil
As far as both parts, I would guess that you would be required to take both since they are looking at your math and english scores.
Well they are going to give you your scores and its not just going to be by word of mouth. You can either make a copy or put the actual results in your package. You could also call ACT up and they will send you your scores. Good Luck.....
Good luck with the ACT. As I am sure many others here have experienced the road form E to O isnt the easiest, but it will be worth it in the end. I have been working my package for 2+ years and I am finally at a command that is willing to support me. Keep doing what you are doing (getting your quals, EP evals, your AA) and your time will come. Good luck and keep charging.
Well Im really unsure about this year. I finally report to my command next month. By the time I get to my command and the JUL1 deadline I probably wont even have an eval yet. Im hoping my AA, personal statement, LOR, and the couple months im there will be good. Doesnt hurt to at least try though.
I know next year my package will be golden.
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