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JPME Phase-1 via Marine Corpse Institue

Clux4

Banned
Speaking of IA's for OEF, I heared a rumour that there are new policies concerning Transition Teams. OEF TT's will only be staffed by personnel that has prior TT experience from OIF. I wonder how long that is going to last. Soo much for the 2:1 duel time. They are going to run out of people real quick and just grab anyone.

Any truth to this?

Are they going to reserve your school seat for next CY or FY when you return?
 

Frumby

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
JPME-Phase 1 is equivalent to Command and Staff. Allpme.com, a Air Force gouge website, did have USMC C&S on some its downloads. I haven't looked in awhile but you can check there. As stated, the best way is to enroll in seminars but I have heard that the CD based version is challenging but manageable. Good luck.

Frumby
 

FlyinRock

Registered User
I resisted replying or responding to this post with the glaring and offensive misspelling/s but can no longer hold out.
After reading the replies, I am wondering if it was deliberate or perhaps the OP was not being very careful with the original title? In any case, I still find it offensive to write Marine Corpse and if it was intentional, stay out of my sights lest you find out the real meaning of the word.
Institue was perhaps a typo but with two in the same title indicates either ignorance, or stupidity. If that is the general attitude, you might find another line of work and maybe go to work for someone like the president elect.
What the hell, we're all gonna be working for that #@$%$$%^###@ anyway.
Grumpy as hell this a.m.
 

Clux4

Banned
I resisted replying or responding to this post with the glaring and offensive misspelling/s but can no longer hold out.
After reading the replies, I am wondering if it was deliberate or perhaps the OP was not being very careful with the original title? In any case, I still find it offensive to write Marine Corpse and if it was intentional, stay out of my sights lest you find out the real meaning of the word.
Institue was perhaps a typo but with two in the same title indicates either ignorance, or stupidity. If that is the general attitude, you might find another line of work and maybe go to work for someone like the president elect.
What the hell, we're all gonna be working for that #@$%$$%^###@ anyway.
Grumpy as hell this a.m.

What does working with the President elect have to do with not being able to spell?
You were trying point out the OP's error but did not need to take it that far.
Your post does not make sense. You should have resisted the urge to reply.
 

usmarinemike

Solidly part of the 42%.
pilot
Contributor
As long as we're off topic...

Resident EWS...We had a 1-star (can't remember his name) aviator come talk to the air contracts and one of his nuggets of star power wisdom was that as an aviator, it is probably better career wise to only do EWS non-res, while doing the later PME in residence. His idea was that as a guy that early in a flying career you need to be building quals and street cred in the squadons.

Hold any water?
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
As long as we're off topic...

Resident EWS...We had a 1-star (can't remember his name) aviator come talk to the air contracts and one of his nuggets of star power wisdom was that as an aviator, it is probably better career wise to only do EWS non-res, while doing the later PME in residence. His idea was that as a guy that early in a flying career you need to be building quals and street cred in the squadons.

Hold any water?

Yes. I think that's sound advice, but it's not like you're screwed if you go to EWS. It's a non-issue.
 

joemcspeed

New Member
As long as we're off topic...

Resident EWS...We had a 1-star (can't remember his name) aviator come talk to the air contracts and one of his nuggets of star power wisdom was that as an aviator, it is probably better career wise to only do EWS non-res, while doing the later PME in residence. His idea was that as a guy that early in a flying career you need to be building quals and street cred in the squadons.

Hold any water?

Thanks for your reply, you've reinforced my concern and will likely try to take this path.
 

KBayDog

Well-Known Member
Bump.

Just make sure that you do it prior to the Majors board. Plan on it taking two years to do. Don't wait too long planning to go resident or "get the gouge". Just bang it out. It's a stupid thing to get passed over for.

Three years later, this is more valid than ever. The Corps is...wait for it..."rightsizing" at the cyclic rate, and there is strong anecdotal evidence that some of those passed over on the recent Majors board (particularly in those MOSs that aren't really needed anymore) were passed due to not being EWS complete (emphasis on complete...just being enrolled isn't good enough).

Remember, your package is briefed by a cross-section of MOSs. You may be the most shit-hot, uber-qualled Shitter driver, but there is a possibility that the Artillery LtCol reviewing/preparing to brief your package might not know what NSI/AFL/etc. means. All he sees is that you deployed a few times, look good in uniform, have a few personal awards, have high PFT/CFT scores, but *gasp* you haven't completed EWS. All things being equal, your lack of PME completion...regardless of your aviation quals...is going to make it easy for him to put you in the "passed" pile and move on to the next package.

FWIW, my first OIC when I checked into my fleet squadron sat me down and told me...in a very one-way conversation...that I shall enroll and complete EWS DEP prior to our next deployment (10 months later). While this was easier to do then that it is now, as it was the old bubble-sheet correspondence course, it was still a pain in the ass completing it while I tried to learn my aircraft, get my quals, learn my day job, learn how to be a Fleet nugget, etc. I cursed him a few times for making me do it. However, per his "request," I got it done prior to my first float, and haven't had to worry about it since. The box is checked. Now that I'm older and wiser, and understand why he did what he did, he shall never again pay for a drink if I am around.

Marines: Enroll and complete EWS DEP yesterday. I know, I know - you don't have time. Guess what? You'll never have time. You'll always be working on quals, working on your day job, standing duty, doing investigations, writing awards, writing FitReps, going through workups, deploying, etc. The clock is ticking, and you're already ~2 yrs behind your peers by the time you earn your Wings. (Remember, your peers, whose "day jobs" are actually their MOSs, have had since TBS to get EWS done.) You'll be up for Major before you realize it. And, like Harrier Dude said, plan on taking at least two years to do it. This means, based on your timing, that you may have to get it started no later than a year or two after your promotion to Captain!

Even if you don't want a full career in the Corps, be in a position to make that decision for yourself. Do not let the Corps make that decision for you.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
Three years later, this is more valid than ever. The Corps is...wait for it..."rightsizing" at the cyclic rate, and there is strong anecdotal evidence that some of those passed over on the recent Majors board (particularly in those MOSs that aren't really needed anymore) were passed due to not being EWS complete (emphasis on complete...just being enrolled isn't good enough).
This. Even in the Reserves, they're looking for guys with PME under their belt. Not as much of an issue for the Major's board, but it is DEFINITELY an issue for the LtCol & higher boards.

There's also some non-PME related BS that's happening at reserves boards as well. One guy didn't screen for command because he didn't have a job outside the Reserves (he's a stay at home dad). It's got one of our pilots (a stay at home dad, with a wife on AD in the Navy) stressed that he's not going to be selected for Maj.
 

HH-60H

Manager
pilot
Contributor
One guy didn't screen for command because he didn't have a job outside the Reserves (he's a stay at home dad).

How could this happen? How would a screening board know that you don't have a regular job? Not to mention, why should it have any bearing on anything related to command ability or being a Marine?
 

helolumpy

Apprentice School Principal
pilot
Contributor
How could this happen? How would a screening board know that you don't have a regular job? Not to mention, why should it have any bearing on anything related to command ability or being a Marine?


I don't know if the legislation that covers deploying reservists extends to dependants. If a stay-at-home dad gets deployed, then the family is is a very different situation than if the dad worked full time and got mobilized.

As for jobs outside the Reserves, if you consider the Reserves not just extra bodies but personnel with atypical military expertise (for example a guy who is a military pilot but may have a civie job like city planner or water treatment) may be far more attractive in the manpower pool than a similar officer who does not have any marketable skills outside his primary MOS / designator.
There has been a big push in the Reserves to get a handle on all the different skills that are in the reserves (due to different civilian careers) I could see having some HD/LD skills being discussed during a promotion board.
Part of the "whole person" concept of your record
 

HH-60H

Manager
pilot
Contributor
So, if we are both up to screen for command, we're both Marine pilots (same platform even). In real life I design and build electric power stations, but you are "just" a commercial pilot, or a poet (or god forbid, a stay at home dad), I screen for command and you don't? I certainly see the value in the extra skill sets, but are command screen boards and/or promotion boards the proper mechanism for this? What if I am a huge shitbag officer and you walk on water? I get a pass?

Again, I see the value, but I feel like another mechanism for implementation would be more valuable. If the Marine Corps institutes a RIF, then make that the determining factor, but this method doesn't sound practical or even meaningful to me. Especially, if there isn't a larger mechanism to decide what "other" skills the Corps needs/doesn't need.

EDIT: I forgot who I was talking to, I made up this Marine scenario, but I realized we used to both be Navy pilots in the same platform! :D
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
How would a screening board know that you don't have a regular job?
Don't know about you guys, but when we put together our package for promotion/screening boards - we also have to include an RQS, or Reserve Qualification Summary. It's basically a resume of everything we've done in and out of the Marine Corps. To include what our current job in the civilian world is.

Not to mention, why should it have any bearing on anything related to command ability or being a Marine?
For the reasons that helolumpy posted. The USMCR has leveraged the skills developed in a civilian career in both OIF and OEF, so having a civilian job is important. Do I think it would play into my buddy's promotion to Maj? Probably not. The guy who didn't screen for command was also screening for O-6 command, so there's a BIG difference...

I don't know if the legislation that covers deploying reservists extends to dependants.
It does not.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
When I would handle Reservists' FITREPs/EVALs, we'd always make sure to put their civilian job on there as a bullet. I don't know how official it was, but I was told that if you had two Reservists with everything being equal on paper, including the same amount of additional participation (since that goes on your FITREP), the guy with the civilian job is going to be favorable because he "worked harder" having to balance his two jobs. Again, what I was told. I can't say it's a hard and fast rule.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
When I would handle Reservists' FITREPs/EVALs, we'd always make sure to put their civilian job on there as a bullet.

Awards too- ie. Nomination for ____ of the Quarter/Year. Might be a Navy Reserve only though.
 
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