International Burn a Qu'ran Day

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  1. Nasty Flyer

    Nasty Flyer New Member None

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    With so many religions and denominations who is right and who is wrong? everyone or no one?
  2. villanelle

    villanelle Nihongo dame desu

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    Well, i agree that the public has a right to try to stop either one. But given that I think the reason to stop one is vaild and the reason to stop the other is... not as vaild, obviously my voice would be on different sides of the outcry, depending on the matter being cried about. But in both cases, I think the government shouldn't be the one stopping the acts in question, and the public should do it's best to be heard.

    And I definitely agree with the bolded paragraph. I happen to think that listening to the public in one case would prevent harm and listening in the other would cause much more of it than would moving forward as planned.

    And is it really a vast majority? I ask that in a totally non-snarky way, BTW. I haven't seen polling numbers on this and am curious about whether they exists (from a legit polling source).
  3. ryan1234

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    I'm a little confused - I thought the Administration said that Islam is a peaceful religion...why is everyone so concerned about a violent retribution?

    Also...don't know if anyone caught it but the imam was pretty clear in calling the "community center" in NYC a mosque....just interesting that's all...
  4. villanelle

    villanelle Nihongo dame desu

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    Um, they aren't worried about general Islamic backlash, they are worried about backlash from violent, extremist Muslims. *So* not the same thing. This thread is just chock fill of broad brush painting, isn't it?
  5. gparks1989

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    It's not like the last administration said that Islam was a violent and muderous religion. Regardless of what the Imam calls it, it is a community center...a Young Men's Muslim Association if you will.
  6. The Chief

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    The number I was thinking of was from The Hill, citing a CNN poll conducted August 10, with 68 percent objecting to the Mosque being built in it's proposed location. There are a number of polls out there, most recent ABC (think) with something like 66 percent objecting to the proposed location.

    Anyway I am happy we agree.
  7. villanelle

    villanelle Nihongo dame desu

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    Thanks. That's really interesting. I would have guess it would have been lower--closer to 50/50.
  8. Tex_Hill

    Tex_Hill Airborne All the Way!!!

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    All faiths at some point claim to be the only true way to God & heaven. Biblical Christianity is different from other faiths because we believe that we can never earn our salvation. God is a sovereign, holy, omniscient, immutable, and loving being who because He loved us gave us free will, but He also created us to have a relationship with Himself. Because He is inherently holy He cannot ignore our sin, but I cannot cancel out my sin with good works because I have no way of knowing how many good works I must do to balance out all of the evil I have done. So, in the ultimate expression of love God dealt with our sin Himself by coming to the earth as a man, Jesus Christ, and though He Himself was sinless, He paid the price that was demanded for all of mankind's sin - past, present, and future. Our only part in this process is the acceptance of the gift and making Jesus Christ Lord & Savior of our lives. If we don't accept the gift then we choose to stand before God on the basis of our works which have been tainted by our sin. I always tell people that Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with the Creator of the Universe.
  9. m26

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    Some of the people who have been to my house think my TV is a Samsung. Others think its an LG, still others Sony, Vizio, or an RCA set. With so many opinions out there, is my TV all of those things, or none of them?

    If memory serves, there are many (")faiths(") that don't have any salvation doctrines.

    As for that second part, that does depend on which brand of Christian theology you follow. I believe (just from my experience) that most protestants seem to accept that line of thinking, although classic Catholicism certainly doesn't.

    The same reason that even though I know Christianity is a brilliant, thoughtful, and fundamentally wise religion, I'm concerned about "Christians" doing something incredibly stupid and dangerous.
  10. Nasty Flyer

    Nasty Flyer New Member None

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    terrible analogy on the TV...I can walk right up to the ;abel and say SEE: it says S-O-N-Y SONY! You can't do that with God or religion...so if everyone says they are right, someone has to be wrong...but like Israel and Palestine...they are both right in their minds which causes no room for peaceful "earthly" solutions.
  11. Tex_Hill

    Tex_Hill Airborne All the Way!!!

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    Let me recommend two books to you, The Case for Christ and The Case for Faith, both by Lee Strobel. Lee was an atheist and the legal editor of The Chicago Tribune. His wife became a Christian and in an attempt to basically get her off his back he investigated Christ and Christianity much in the same way he would do an investigation for a news story. His investigation led him to believe that the biblical account of Christ was true and to become a Christian. These two books chronicle his investigation.
  12. exhelodrvr

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    Nothing to see here. There is no correlation between Islam and violence. Just move on.
  13. m26

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    My point was that the fact that there is disagreement doesn't necessitate that either everyone is right or everyone is wrong.

    The analogy was apt in it's limited scope. Metaphysically, that there may be various opinions on God doesn't mean that there is not a correct one.

    Now you're talking epistemology, for which the TV analogy isn't appropriate. I believe that it is false to say that religion cannot be verified, although I've not seen anything to suggest it will be verifiable in my lifetime. So I basically agree with your latest post.

    Tex, I'm sorry but Strobel's work is utter rubbish. I've read both of those (so much as I could stand), and leaving aside the writing, his arguments are just wretched. If you fact-check his arguments, most are not merely dubious, but flatly false. You can google it and there are countless web pages devoted to the subject. He had me going for a bit, but it all just seemed too good to be true, and reality won out.

    The closest I've seen to a legitimate modern Christian apologetic (and I've been looking) is Timothy Keller's The Reason for God. I doubt it would convert an atheist, but it's a decent quasi-philosophic argument for God.

    Your best bet is, of course, still going to be C.S. Lewis. The "original" remains the best.
  14. ryan1234

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    Many of you think this pastor is crazy...and he may be...but may not be ignorant...
    Burning the Koran is an act of war to many Muslims, particularly in the Arab world - many clerics have said so. Violence with Arabs isn't just rooted in Islam, it's rooted in poverty, corruption, failed governments, and culture. Sharia law and Islam is what empowers and fuels violence. That pastor knows that doing this will truly bring out the militant nature of those....
  15. craftingraptor

    craftingraptor Dreaming about the P-8A None

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    In all seriousness, I bet it was a simple decision to write a book that would align with his wife's beliefs.

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