Discussion in 'Current News' started by usmarinemike, Sep 7, 2010.
They both are taught at McNair
Why are we trying to make sense of this at all? It's like asking, "Why do sharks have feeding frenzies?" or "Why do monkeys fling their own poo?"
Trying to say that Westerners don't do stupid shit like this is stating the obvious. Can we just agree that we, moral equivalency aside, have a more advanced civilization than they do?
Okay, issue one, done.
We have to live in the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be. If the rest of the world shared Western values, we wouldn't be fighting there in the first place. So, what do we do? We either 1) babysit them forever 2) train them to do COIN on their own 3) stand aside and bomb terrorist cells when they pop up.
1 is unacceptable. Option 2 or 3 are viable. 2 requires us to kiss their asses every so often. 3 runs the risk of a similar post-Soviet descent into lawlessness. Don't know.
It's just pointless to complain about their culture. It's FUBAR. Accept that fact. Like the fable about the scorpion and the frog--"It's just my nature..."
I'm in this camp as well - not a huge fan of the Landwar in Asia. I don't think you can tame these people and I think Islam, as it is practiced pretty much anywhere in the middle east, is incompatible with democracy and liberty. I tried, for many years, to give them the benefit of the doubt, and there are a LOT of good muslims out there, but, at least in the middle east, they can't seem to get a foothold. Even in the countries that experienced the "Arab Spring", all those folks souped up on Democracy...who do they elect in Egypt? A bunch of fundamentalist muslims. Nice job, assholes.
grr, arg...i gotta go to a bonfire tonight.
That's great. I'm interested in your ideas.
Option 4 pre invasion would have been bomb them back to the stone age (they are essentially bronze age with some imported tech) let them know WHY, and repeat as needed. But that requires kissing Pakistan's ass.
Nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.
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Because everything he says is inherently self-evident and not actually wise. "All war is based on deception." Wow, how revolutionary.
It reminds me of Stewie on Family guy after he read The Prince "Damn you Machiavelli, you have taught me nothing I didn't already know!"
For what it's worth General Sherman inspired CAPT Stephen B. Luce to inquire into how the Principles of War relate to Naval Warfare.
This started Luce on a quest that eventually led to the development of the Naval War College.
Theres a little bit more to it that one quote. You can choose to be flip about it, but there's a reason that it s studied in the institutions that have shaped the intellects of such nobodies like David Petraeus and Ray Odierno. So, when somebody tells me they don't care for a seminal military theorist, I'm interested in understanding why. Chances are, they thumbed through a chapter or two and said, meh, and haven't really had it taught to them in an academic setting.
I'm trying to get people to explain where they're coming from so we can have a discussion.
A "discussion", or you just reminding everyone else that you're smarter than us and our neanderthal opinions are laughable? Sometimes its hard to distinguish.
Anyone else just have MW3 come across their minds? No, just me?
Not for me it's not. I guess we won't find out if we don't go down that road. If all either of us is willing to say is that institution X says this and institution Y says this and leave it at that, then it's all decided and there's nothing left to debate, right? There are lots of "correct" answers, how one chooses to defend them is what's interesting, and (God forbid) we might all learn something beyond our preconceived notions.
supporting my last post.
So you're unwilling to debate on the chance that I may have an opinion different from yours and am willing to argue in its favor? I guess the thick skin concept doesn't apply when contrarian ideas are being offered as an alternative to mainstream thinking. You should have more confidence in your positions.
thanks for the tip.
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