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Information needed on NAS Cecil Field, FL

retnavycpo

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I would go nuts, if there was still a VFA-15 or VFA-83 squadron symbol hanging somewhere in those spaces. I mean, I would drive down there to retrieve it!!! I was contacted by another simulation scenery designer yesterday. NAS Cecil Field for FSX WILL become a reality in the not-too-distant future!

Navy Chief
 

FastMover

NFO
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The Bulls emblem was actually on the tile floor when you first walk into the building. The hangars are on the opposite side of the building. There were four or five separate entrances to the hangar so I figured that there would be Gunslingers, Knighthawks, Gladiators, etc. emblems in the doorways but I didn't see any.

There were lockers and life support equipment in the building, too. They're still used occaisonally by the pilots who fly the jets to/from the Boeing hangar. We actually got to watch one Hornet get preflighted and take off. It was all bright green (primer?)
 

FastMover

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B-17 @ Nas Cecil

I went out to Cecil Field today to see the B-17 "Aluminum Overcast." It was great to see one in such great shape inside and out. One thing is for sure...those things weren't made for tall or fat guys. You just about need to be double jointed to get in and out of it.

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A P-3 was out working the pattern while we were looking around. Cecil is still pretty active between NAS JAX, the flight schools, DEA, etc.

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I also took some pics of buildings around the base. I'm not sure what some of the hangars used to be. Maybe brownshoe knows??

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The old NEX and uniform shop.

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The tower.

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Marauders Hornet by the Tower's parking lot.

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The old front gate.

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Mr. Blonde

My ass is a motherfuckin' champion
pilot
Those are great pics, the B-17 was and probably still is my favorite airplane of all time. Too bad rides go for around $500 a pop for 30 minutes. Still I'll probably pony up one of these days just for the experience.
 

brownshoe

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This is hangar 67 it housed VA-44, VF-45 and VF-174. VF-174 was an F8 RAG, then later became VA-174 when they received some of the first A-7's. If you look in the open hangar doors you'll see windows on the upper level. That's where our squadron offices were, the shops of course were on the lower level. Right behind the open doors was the stairwell to the upper level, and a passageway that led past the coffee mess and mail room to a back door. CAG had offices there, as well as CFAD security. This is the tower side of the hangar.

If you look to the left I believe that fuzzy thing is one of the newer hangars that were built while I was there. Weird design as I remember, funny looking. Our line shacks were just behind the hangar, and 174 had a shack just in front of that temporary building in the photo.

Thanks for the walk down memory lane, I enjoyed it!

Steve

PS Oh the bomber was neat too!
 

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Uncle Fester

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I first found this site when I was looking for info about Cecil during the Oceana-Cecil-BRAC brouhaha two years ago: Abandoned and Little-Known Airfields. Lots of pics of Cecil in the Florida/Northern Jacksonville section. Cecil Field

Plenty of interesting stuff on the site if you should need to kill a few hours online. Lots of history and vintage pics, charts, etc. Check out all the OLFs around Pcola, for example. Neat picture of Barin in WWII with dozens of SNJs on the ramp.
 

Nose

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Anyway, the email I got from the designer about his FCLP question said this:
"I will probably have to remodel it bit it's good to know what it looks like. The current equipment has all been removed so does not show on the Google of Cecil. Can you tell me where the carrier training traps would have been? If you want them?"

He obviously did not find the Google picture you found. What would be great is a picture of the actual arresting gear...and that site. The attached picture is roughly what the simulation FCLP will look like.

Pete

Pete,

He's got it pretty good. What I remember from my 1000+ hours sitting in FCLP LSO shacks. (Fentress, Oceana, Norfolk, Key West, Choctaw, P'Cola, Cecil, Whitehouse, El Centro, New Orleans, Miramar, etc)

1. Carrier box was all white. No yellow on the box, but the box centerline (different from the runway centerline, see below) was alternating yellow/white.
2. Box was not centered on the runway's centerline. It was offset to the left side. The reason for this was so that the lens (Meatball) would be in the proper position to simulate the scan pilots use at the ship.
3. Need a lens. It would be on the left side, just off the runway in the grass, about the place where your current "1 wire" engine is positioned. This is the best picture I could find of a field lens unit. They are a little different now (Navy gone to IFLOLS, long story) but for Cecil, this is what they would have had. I'm pretty sure Cecil had a lens on each runway, even the ones without carrier boxes. BTW, I'm not a flight sim guy, but do they put the rubber marks on the runways from aircraft tires? If so, remember NAS's had "spots" of rubber where USAF/Civilian (same thing!) runways had streaks that go down the runway. Navy lands on spots, others flare to land and land in different areas.
4. Runways had Arresting Gear, but not 4, only one. And as said above, the Arresting gear was not part of the FCLP carrier box. It was used for emergencies/aircraft problems and was located about 1000 feet down the runway past the FCLP Carrier Box.
5. If I remember correctly, Cecil had Arresting gear on each runway, usually located about 1200-1500 feet from the approach end. The cables looked like this.
6. Need an LSO shack. LSO shack looked like a greenhouse (and unfortunately also worked like a greenhouse) on wheels. The shack was about 8' by 14' and the roof was pointed. The bottom half was metal, the top half was all glass/plexiglass panes so the LSO could see jets all the way around the pattern. Can't find a picture, still looking.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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... 3. Need a lens. .. This is the best picture I could find of a field lens unit.....

6. Need an LSO shack. LSO shack looked like a greenhouse (and unfortunately also worked like a greenhouse) on wheels. The shack was about 8' by 14' and the roof was pointed. The bottom half was metal, the top half was all glass/plexiglass panes so the LSO could see jets all the way around the pattern. Can't find a picture, still looking.
Something like this??? For the unwashed amongst us ... in order:

Attack Guppy and lens, really old STOOF and mirror, and one type (right in pix) of a mobile LSO/RDO shack @ Saufley in the good ol' days .... :)



 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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You're welcome .... and a side note for the unwashed .....



The mirror landing system (depicted above, with an actual mirror) .... i.e., the forerunner to the Fresnel Lens: I would say when I first started "flying the ball" and experiencing various Naval Air Stations, @ 75%+ of the runways had the MIRROR, as opposed to the LENS for a landing aid. Gradually, the LENS replaced the MIRROR as the taxpayers kicked in more $$$$.

The LENS -- while not "new"at the time, was reserved (at the field) for dedicated FCLP practice runways -- those runways marked with a "carrier box". I can still remember using the mirror for bounces and everyday field landings -- in fact, early on we referred to FCLP as "FMLP" , i.e., "Field Mirror Landing Practice", etc., etc.

We sometimes used the mirror for LSO-controlled FCLP periods when the lens was down or simply not readily available on the duty runway.

What do the JarHeads say??? Improvise and overcome ... ??? :)
 

Nose

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You're welcome .... and a side note for the unwashed .....



The mirror landing system (depicted above, with an actual mirror) .... i.e., the forerunner to the Fresnel Lens: I would say when I first started "flying the ball" and experiencing various Naval Air Stations, @ 75%+ of the runways had the MIRROR, as opposed to the LENS for a landing aid. Gradually, the LENS replaced the MIRROR as the taxpayers kicked in more $$$$.

The LENS -- while not "new"at the time, was reserved (at the field) for dedicated FCLP practice runways -- those runways marked with a "carrier box". I can still remember using the mirror for bounces and everyday field landings -- in fact, early on we referred to FCLP as "FMLP" , i.e., "Field Mirror Landing Practice", etc., etc.


They actually still had a mirror on runway 1 at NAS Norfolk when I got there in 1988, had I known anything about anything, I would have gotten my picture taken with it.

In the late 90's, at NAS Oceana, they didn't call them FCLP's, they called them FMLPs. Don't know if they carry on that tradition or not.

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Nose

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pilot
Any difference in flying Mirror vice Lens?

Not that I will ever see anything save a IFOLS, but just curious.

I defer to the old man :icon_tong, but my gues is it is more of an improvement in the optics which allow better definition further out. IFLOLS was a little different then the regular FLOLS, but the big difference was the ability to see the ball better further out. With good eyes, 3/4 mile was about the limitation on the FLOLS, IFLOLS is good to almost a mile and the source (the "ball" itself) doesn't blossom nearly as much.

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