I don't think they sell the OR overlord gloves anymore. I have a pair and was thinking about getting another pair to have a backup for down the road(especially when they were half off) and couldn't find them anywhere. The Wiley-X's are okay but I killed a couple pairs just in flight school and I took care of them. In my mind fingerless is the only way to go, the tactile feel you lose when you've got nomex between you and your buttons, dials, transducers, and the dozens of hocas/hotas switches and knobs that are all slightly differently textured is unreal. Whatever you do make sure you don't preflight with your flight gloves, hyd fluid and jet fuel destroys fabric.