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CMV-22B Osprey Rollout
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sparky
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But where's the fun in that? The log hit is a better photo op
Is the deck spot much larger for the CH-53K than the V-22?
(hey, I was Maritime, so I'm not quite sure about this boat thing ...)
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Meh, I don't recall ever having FOD issues due to non-skid ingestion, if that's what you're implying. It's pretty brittle.
Eh, they both kill fixed wing ops so it’s really a minor difference.
One of the recommendations from the FBE was to explore more spots for the V-22. I don’t know if PMA-275 or others have succeeded in achieving that, but I hope they do.
And COD guys in general aren’t sure about that boat thing either...
Nope, something else. A bunch of Harriers needed engine changes on a gator a few years ago. It wasn't nonskid ingestion so much as FOD the mess left behind from some work that got done on the flight deck surface.
You mean it isn’t a good idea to use tiny bb’s to blast off nonskid?
Thanks- I thought there were little ball bearings involved but my memory was foggy (I wasn't there, just heard about it). I was thinking to myself, 'that's such a terrible idea it's impossible, nobody would be dumb enough to try that' and I figured I must have mixed up the details.
Note to everyone: don't do stupid things like that.
If loose non-skid could FOD a motor, the entire air wing would be a flaming wreck by the end of fly-on and CQ . . .
It was the BHR in 2014. Apparently the Japanese company that did the work did too well; the inevitable flaking was so small and fine that it was easily ingested.
I see some of you are blissfully ignorant of the procedures that govern how non-skid is removed, repaired, and applied. Bottom line is that the accepted method to remove old non-skid and to prepare the surface for a new application requires the use of an ablative material. The ablative material that is commmonly used is small metal shot. Although people will call them “bbs” they’re much smaller, probably the size of a ball point pen ball. Because of the know FOD hazard of these “BBs” the removal process is done within double walled vinyl tents to keep the BBs enclosed. Once the removal is complete the contractor is supposed to clean up the remaining BBs, QA the process, apply new non skid (process that requires specific environmental conditions), wait for new non skid to cure, and then take down the tents. However, if the QA process isn’t good or the tents are taken down early due to schedule pressures then it’s possible for the BBs to get out into the wild where they will likely be ingested down the intake of the nearest jet motor.
This has happened at least twice. Bataan had it happen during ops off of Libya after getting non skid work done mid-cruise. The BBs ended up FODing out the motors of many (all?) of the harriers onboard and the Air Boss was relieved. When I was Mini on BHR (2013) we had it happen to us as well. Despite our best efforts to catch all the BBs we ended up with several FODd harriers. That was not a fun time.
See what y’all are missing out on my not taking a disassociated tour?
I was AGO on the HST for the very first trap after an extensive Non-Skid repair in the LA as we headed out to our 2015/2016 deployment.
We had walked the FOD, swept, all of that, and it was still like standing in front of an angry sandblaster when that first Rhino took the three wire.
I was amazed at how much was gone eight months later. Walking the dog was a hazardous undertaking with all of the oil/fuel/grease/hyd fluid creating a viscous sheen on the bare steel under the wires.
I’m guessing those Harriers are particularly susceptible to FOD because of their intake/exhaust design, but I don’t think we had any F-18 C-F’s FOD out due to non-skid.
We did have a helo Pilot accidentally punch flares as he landed in spot 9. Found little angry burnt discs all over the place, to include the intakes of one of the F’s...
We had walked the FOD, swept, all of that, and it was still like standing in front of an angry sandblaster when that first Rhino took the three wire.
I was amazed at how much was gone eight months later. Walking the dog was a hazardous undertaking with all of the oil/fuel/grease/hyd fluid creating a viscous sheen on the bare steel under the wires.
I’m guessing those Harriers are particularly susceptible to FOD because of their intake/exhaust design, but I don’t think we had any F-18 C-F’s FOD out due to non-skid.
We did have a helo Pilot accidentally punch flares as he landed in spot 9. Found little angry burnt discs all over the place, to include the intakes of one of the F’s...
I know...never say never, but any idea how this happened? While my thumb might be near the guard, I don't think I've ever accidentally hit the button, and it requires a bit of "thumb wrestling" to get my thumb back that 1/4" to start pressing in past the guard. And I've got pretty big hands.
Think auto mode, right before the WOW switch engages, and something lights up nearby... Happened during my last cruise as well to both the HSC and the HSM squadron independently, but both were to small boys (thank God!).
No idea, I FOD walked the LA real quick and went about recovering planes. Never did hear how...