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Astronauts and PRK

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eddie

Working Plan B
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^^^

Fuck it, I'd probably still go if they let me...


FlyinSpy: I remember being visibly upset as a child during the Lockheed debacle. I don't think anything frustrates me as much as the cold, hard limitations and realities of the space program, budgetary and human...
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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Consider the string of failures we had trying to penetrate the Martian IADS - between 1999 and 2003, 5 of the 6 missions were unsuccessful. (I'm being tongue in cheek about the IADS, but their interplanetary defenses seemed to be working quite well for a while...).


They need Prowler escorts.........;)
 

scoober78

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The shear amount of cosmic radiation could fry them before they even get to Mars.

Alright you guys...quit talking out your a@@. All this flubbering about a subject near and dear to my heart got me to researching. According to the Health Physics Society and NASA, the expected dose in a lightly shielded spacecraft fall anywhere between .3Sv to 1Sv per year, (Sv= sievert= the SI unit of equivalent dose) with 1 Sv being the equivalent to 100 rem.

This is significantly more radiation than the average person recieves on the surface of the Earth in a year, and is well in excess of current federal limits. You will not be fried however. In fact, some researchers have shown strong evidence that chronic exposure to ionizing radiation can lower the incidence of cancer.

It is quite likely that there would be little or no ill effects from exposure to the 2Sv chronic dose you would receive in the typical Mars mission.

EDIT: That's not to say that we know the answers as far as what the long term effects will be...increased cancer risk...probable (1-10%)..cataracts in old age...sure. You will not however, be fried...in any sense of the word.
 

Flash

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Here's one major factor about a manned Mars mission......THEY WON'T BE COMING HOME!!!! If we send men to Mars, they'll be there for the rest of their lives (however short that maybe). The shear amount of cosmic radiation could fry them before they even get to Mars.

That would be sheer, unless you want to shave them and make them look like this at the beginning of their journey, instead of the end......

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FlyinSpy

Mongo only pawn, in game of life...
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Alright you guys...quit talking out your a@@.

It is quite likely that there would be little or no ill effects from exposure to the 2Sv chronic dose you would receive in the typical Mars mission.

Easy there, stud - a$$ talking is a core competence in the intel world.... :icon_tong

Without delving too deeply into the geekery here, there is great uncertainty in what the actual dose on a nominal 400 day Mars mission would be. That's because we don't have a lot of data on cosmic ray or solar proton exposures in interplantetary space. It might be ok, it might be really bad - there's just not enough data to accurately forecast. (For what it's worth, I've seen some of the more pessimistic estimates, especially those that assume a major coronal mass ejection / solar proton event during the flight.) The estimates matter a lot, too, since shielding is heavy, and heavy = big $$ in space. Also, cosmic rays love to blow through even heavy shielding.

The bottom line? You won't likely won't get literally fried, but you would get lots more radiation than anyone is really comfortable with. Would people volunteer for a mission even with an increased cancer risk or other adverse health effects? I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure the policy powers-that-be would be comfortable sending people into such an environment, even for a noble cause. To make Mars a reality, we either need to figure out how to a) get there much faster, b) come up with lightweight but effective shielding, or c) send people and just accept the risks. Alternatively, just send the robots and have someone jam the stupid Mars TALL KINGs....

If you *really* want to geek out on the subject, go here http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1 and here http://marsjournal.org/contents/2006/0005/files/Anonymous2005.pdf

Otherwise, go to Google and type "Midget Lesbians" and you will have plenty of alternative amusements...

p.s. Scoob - your rad hardness is way above mine! 2 Sv, even as a chronic dose, is a lotta juice.
 

joboy_2.0

professional undergraduate
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That would be sheer, unless you want to shave them and make them look like this at the beginning of their journey, instead of the end......

Ok I beat you all. This was the first thing I thought of when he said "shear"....

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bunk22

Super *********
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I think I have the same hair as Pontdexter if I let it grow..

But I act more like Ogre or Booger.

You know who looks like Carradine in the middle..........thats right, kmac. I actually thought that was him.
 
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