Another nail in the coffin of Old-School Naval Avaition..

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  1. MasterBates Well-Known Member

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    Saw this on the message board this morning:

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    webmaster Shuffling down the Commissary aisles near you.

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    This message just got sent out by our CMC, with emphasis on the flight suits (hmm?)...

    On a side note, I recall that the Airboss asked commanders earlier this year about how to get flight suits approved for off base officially, one of the proposals I thought had black t shirts in it. Hoping possibly this could mean flight suits "officially" authorized off base? (Not like I haven't seen enough flight suits at Starbucks etc off base....) sigh...
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  3. KBayDog Well-Known Member

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    I think that NAVADMIN was actually supposed to be a MARADMIN.

    Oh well, welcome to the Corps.
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  4. MasterBates Well-Known Member

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    All the gayness of the USAF, without the nice bases or ability to wear bags in town.

    And they STILL are keeping AWGs dead.

    Maybe it's time to get out..
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    ChunksJR FLTMPS MF'n Master.

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    Those could have been considered "emergency" stops...lol. At least my wife would consider it that...
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    Concur :)
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    RedFive Member

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    next it will be a mandatory two-piece NWU flight suit like the army
    RedFive, Jan 26, 2011
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    SynixMan Every day I'm chop, chopperin...

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    I always thought takeout was considered "Stop of conviencece". Granted, that's in the land of orange and white...

    Either way, unless this means we can wear bags in town....why?
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  9. ltedge46 Cubicle Warrior inside the beltway

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    Affirm, the powerpoint proposal from the Airboss was going around last year and the idea was that if they allowed it and you wore a flight suit out in town it had to be with a black t-shirt. But the idea wasn't to make black t-shirts mandantory for everyone. Wonder how it morphed into this? Maybe this is the first step in making the change, let's hope so.
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    helolumpy Anyone got a spare runway?

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    I just checked the NPC website, the latest NAVADMIN is 24/11; this one is not listed.
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  11. IRfly Registered User

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    Good thing that Hawaii is OCONUS...:)
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    HH-60H Pilot

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    It's real, I just pulled it out of message traffic.
    HH-60H, Jan 26, 2011
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    BusyBee604 Skyhawkaholic!

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    Too Hard To Get In...

    Being ever thr optimist I have always been, I believe that all this will change when we return to a "BrownShoe" CNO. That includes AWGs that will then, like Lazerus, rise from the grave. AWGs are too comfortable, to warm, and too COOL to be gone for good.:idea_125:

    Despite these temporary setbacks for JOPA, this doesn't mean "it's time to get out"!
    BusyBee604, Jan 26, 2011
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  14. Boomhower Shoot, man, it's that dang ol' internet

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    If your squadron colors don't include black, why the black undershirt?

    The garrison cap MUST be stored in the leg pocket? Which leg pocket? Upper or lower? I always kept mine in the lower one with a can of snuff and paperwork that was about 6 weeks old, but didn't need someone to tell me to do it.

    The flight suit policies of the US Navy used to drive me crazy when I was in. Why in the hell can't I stop for a cup of coffee on the way to work in the bag? Why can't I go to lunch in the bag, either? It's not like I'm going to a white napkin, 8-course dinner in a flight suit. I'm talking about going to a burger joint or something. Truth is, the public WANTS to see you guys out in town with flight suits on. In Pt. Mugu, we had guys try to buy our lunch all the time when we went out in flight suits. Kids asked for autographs. They loved us. And this was in the Peoples Republic of California.

    Pt. Mugu was fairly cool about us wearing bags in town as long as you didn't abuse it (which one group did and fucked it up for everybody for a while). But when I went back to Norfolk, they were Nazi's about it.

    Chiefs were the only ones that would give me shit about wearing bags in town in California. I'm not sure what their deal is with them.
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  15. FlyBoyd Out to Pasture

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    eas7888 Corpus, because who doesn't love fat chicks?

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    twobecrazy RTB...

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    (3) THE GRADUATE LEVEL AIRCREW TRAINING PATCH SHALL BE WORN ON THE RIGHT SHOULDER ONLY.


    Does this mean no more crew patches on the right shoulder? Or does it mean if wearing a training patch that it must be on the right shoulder only?
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    I think that choice has already been made for you. ;)

    Brett
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  19. MasterBates Well-Known Member

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    I just got my FITREP debrief. You are Psychic.
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    Currently, flight suits ARE "officially" authorized off base. There's just a bunch of caveats. Which leads to...

    It is an Orange and White thing. There's some flexibility built into the current instruction which allows the <insert important person> (Commodore, usually) to allow other stops. While I was there as an IP, the TW-5 Commodore (not known for his flexibility) allowed it, so you could make brief stops to pick up take-out or the like.

    My theory? .......

    This is what I'm guessing. This may be the first step to get the CNO (SWO) onboard. Let's institute a uniform uniform and then we may be able to get some more flexibility. The same message talks about how how wearing of flight suits will be authorized at CNA events, as approved by the CNO. So hopefully there's a movement afoot.
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    EODDave DEUS ET PATRIA

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    If this is the first step to allowing us to wear bags out in town then so be it. It would be nice to meet my wife and kids off base for lunch. Its still a T-shirt. I could care less what color it is. Atleast we are still in bags.
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    Flugelman Active Member

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    Must have been blackshoes 'cuz this Chief would have been in the bag right along with you.

    I was lucky to never have been stationed where the command was so anal about bags. Who cares where the pisscutter is stuffed just so long as it's not on yer head on the flightline...:icon_rage
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    smittyrunr At home

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    My first thought was that I hope this is part of a plan to let us wear bags off base. Let's hope.... I'm curious about the patch thing- the way the message is worded it sounds like the right shoulder is the only place you can wear the qual patch, not that its the only one you can wear. If not, well I guess the crew patch is going on the nomex and I'll wear that all the time.

    ...Oh wait, I just checked in to the boat, so no flight suits for me for the next 2 years anyway :-(
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    I'm thinking the same Commodore who ripped me a new asshole at the NFCU ATM in Milton that I stopped to use, while wearing my green flight jacket. It was about 40 degree's outside and I assume I was supposed to take it off while I got cash out of the ATM. I decided to use common sense and wear it seeing it was a bit cold outside. I didn't see the Commodore coming as he pulled his car over to get out to yell at me....I think he really got upset as I didn't take it off....he didn't say I had to take it off, just reprimanded me for wearing it. He watched me walk to me car and before I got in, he yelled, "you're embarrassing me!!!". I was just cold :icon_tong
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  25. NavAir42 I'm not dead yet....

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    What I fear, is that Naval Aviation as a whole will make up a bunch of rules because a SWO CNO might like them and might let us wear flightsuits off base officially. Instead, the CNO changes nothing and we're left with the dead seagull of uniform regs we offered as a sacrifice hanging around our necks until the death of manned flight.

    Meanwhile, life has been pretty damn good doing whatever the hell we want, within reason, and getting away with it. The last thing I want is for my SWOtivated CMC, who has less time in aviation than all of my unqualified aircrew, to be able to tell me how I should wear my flightsuit. And really, they need to spell out a rule on where I'm supposed to keep my piss cutter? It's going to go in my right thigh pocket, folded in half, just like it has been since I was an ensign.
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