Got it. I understand that. I'm just trying to learn about the enviromment. Part of a company's ability to make money rests in the human capitol of their employees. Keeping them happy and hard working is in the best interest of the company. I'm just wondering if the companies fail to realize that, or if there is something else going on. At the same time, workers know that their company needs to make money or they won't have a job anymore. Maybe I'm just naive, but it seems like if the management/worker relationship was good, then both parties would benefit and the union wouldn't be necessary. I'm not trying to bash the unions here. I'm trying to understand their necessity and culture so that if I'm ever in one, I won't be caught in a Catch 22 of values. It's pretty foreign to me at this point in my life. I've seen and heard a lot of "horror stories" about management/union relationships in the airline industry. Particularly the allegations from one side (They're trying to screw us over) versus the other (They're driving us out of business). Right now I'm trying to understand the origins of these debates (chicken and the egg) as well as separating myth and urban legend from facts about life in the airlines. I'm going to read the suggested books, so maybe that will help me answer the questions that I have. Honestly? Never. In fact, I've most often seen it the other way around. The closest I've seen was the HMM trying to fly us on the extreme end of currency. Even then, though, we were still within the letter (if not spirit) of the regulations. I get your point. Airline employees feel that they need representation to keep them from the excesses of management. I'm trying to figure out why that is. To all reading this: I realize that this may be a "hot button" or emotional issue to you. I'm not trying to insult your unions, employers, or you personally. I'm just trying to figure out how the system works and why it is the way it is.