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Affixing patches to brown leather flight jacket

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Just got some patches from Tipsy Gipsy for my leather.

Does anyone know the exact regulations on how to affix patches to the brown leather flight jacket? Uniform Regs Ch. 6 says you can either use hook and loop (velcro) or have it sewn on, but should I just sort of eyeball where to place the patch on the left breast?

And I've got an American flag patch for the shoulder as well. Apparently it's not officially allowed.

Here's what regs say:

(a) Brown Jacket Insignia/Patches.
Insignia/patches shall be worn on brown leather flight
jackets as follows:

(1) Attachments. Logos may be
affixed either hook and pile or directly to the jacket.
Hook and pile fasteners will be black or brown and cut
to the shape of the logo to be affixed.

(2) Left Breast. Black or brown
2 inches by 4 inches leather name tag. Centered in the
top field will be the aircrew designation insignia
(i.e., pilot, NFO aircrew EAWS, etc.). The name in
block letters will occupy the lower field and will
include a minimum first name or initial and last name.
Where appropriate, billet title (ie., CO, XO, CAG, etc.)
is optional.

(3) Optional Logos. One command
patch may be worn over the right breast pocket. Maximum
width may not exceed 4-1/2 inches. No other patches are
authorized.

And on a side note... what do you guys consider "brief stops" to and from work when wearing a flight suit? Obv a gas station, but what about the post office or something to that degree?
 

PhrogLoop

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#2
Does anyone know the exact regulations on how to affix patches to the brown leather flight jacket? Uniform Regs Ch. 6 says...
I think you answered your own question about the exact regulations. As far as the placement of the squadron patch, you might want to wait until your jacket has a little more salt on it before tricking it out, or you'll look like a chooch. If you're intent on this, I would recommend a small round velcro back where the bottom of the round lines up with the bottom of your name tag for now. That way you can wear your first squadron patch there without ruining the jacket for the ultimate squadron patch you sew on there permanently (post DH).
 

helolumpy

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#3
what do you guys consider "brief stops" to and from work when wearing a flight suit? Obv a gas station, but what about the post office or something to that degree?
I'd say lunch is a brief stop as long as there's no alcohol involved
 

gotta_fly

Active Member
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#4
While we're on the topic, can anyone recommend a tailor in the Tinker area that has experience with TG or similar leather patches?
 

zippy

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#5
Just got some patches from Tipsy Gipsy for my leather.

Does anyone know the exact regulations on how to affix patches to the brown leather flight jacket? Uniform Regs Ch. 6 says you can either use hook and loop (velcro) or have it sewn on, but should I just sort of eyeball where to place the patch on the left breast?

And I've got an American flag patch for the shoulder as well. Apparently it's not officially allowed.

Here's what regs say...
You'll find there is a difference between what "the regs say" and how things actually are done when it comes to things like leather jackets and "shit hot" flight suits. The amount of difference depends on what the front office thinks of things at the time.
 

phrogdriver

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The USAF is generally very liberal with flight suit wear.

The Navy is actually pretty restrictive, but the rules are bent frequently, i.e. the rules say no, but are often ignored, depending on where you are stationed.

Don't even try to wear a flight suit to any establishment outside the gate as a Marine unless you are on the road and a long ways, as in at least a few hundred miles, from home plate.
 

phrogdriver

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#9
For God's sake, don't put on the flag shoulder patch.

Do people ever come up to you while you're in uniform asking what country you're from? No? Then you don't need a flag patch.

I know you're patriotic. Presumably you have to be to sign up for 8+ years of the Big Green/Blue Gun Club. You don't have to prove it.
 

phrogdriver

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#11
Exactly. It's F-ing pointless. This isn't Chotchkie's. Your performance evaluation isn't based on having flair.

 

Schnugg

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#12
No Flag...velcro slightly larger than name tag...maybe by a 1/4". That's all for now.

Or leave it pristine....

 

A4sForever

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#13
dude ... (and the usual comments one would expect from a preface of: 'dude') ...
I disagree ... and at the risk of being dropped from your Christmas card list(s) by crossing swords over your comments ... wearing the FLAG on your flight jacket OR flight suit is all about pride ... personal ... professional ... pride ... & patriotism ... nothing more, nothing less.

Question: why do you (who have earned it) put your Wings of Gold up on the Air Warriors website under your username/callsign ... ??? We all 'know' after a while whether or not you're a Naval Aviator ... :)

You're right about one thing: 'this ain't 'Chotchkie's', boys ... it's the U.S. NAVY.
It's pride ... it's professionalism ... it's the Brotherhood. And we like 'patch bling' ... although there is something to be said for leaving a leather jacket 'pristine'. Or get more than one ... or get a nylon/nomex for your patches.

Now that we agree to disagree on the Flag on the shoulder; I hope you send me a card on my birthday ... :)

So it's O.K. if you want to wear the FLAG on your flight suit or jacket, guys -- do it if you want to. It doesn't matter what others 'think'. You're an American, show your pride, and that's the bottom line.
 

bunk22

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#14
If it were up to me, I would have kept my leather jacket clean of patches but back when I was in API, the OIC made it a rule that we had to have an American Flag on one side and a USN or USMC on the othere. The big American flag, not the little one. Still the only two patches on it today.
 

PhrogLoop

Adulting is hard
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#15
Are the regs different in DC? It seems like everyone in the Air Force wears one and I've run into a couple of Naval Aviators in bags on the Metro.
The Air Force considers the flight suit on par with khakis. That means they can wear it out to lunch, riding the metro, etc. The Navy considers the bag a working uniform (like NWUs) hence the short stops only restrictions. If you saw Navy guys wear them on the Metro, then they were likely working for a Joint command (JCS, JPRA, etc.) that respects the Air Force interpretation. When I was an IP at Vance AFB, it was a bag wearing free-for-all for Navy and Marine guys. This is one thing the Air Force got right...
 
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