They remain eligible under the FY17 program message because of different MSR and the new timing under FY18. I suspect everyone will be married up in the FY19 message.
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ACIP increase for all my (USMC) friends
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Thanks Brett
Great example. You’re assuming there are large amounts of commanding officers who are not risk averse in nature. Not going down that rabbit hole today, but generally speaking people at that level are not going to accept unnecessary risk unless absolutely required. This is good and bad in different situations. Those situations are rarely required for annual training type events so everyone will feel the pain. I’m glad you found a unit that got over the silliness in a relatively painless manner.
My personal option is to not do it. Especially the online self paced bullshit. I would love to see my fitrep debrief marks on that one...
“SNO is a highly skilled (maint/NATOPs/bullshit ground job) officer and adept aviator, and remains with peers for complete of his annual don't rape people training, SNO has room for growth and unlimited potential for annual training progression. Recommended for promotion, career-level PME, and resident annual ground training classes”
Magically my annual training requirements some how always end up green come end of fiscal/calendar year.
Are they not? Anecdotally, lots of the JOs that I talk to on their production shore tour are "done," and ready to get out or go FTS. Obviously a certain percentage of those won't actually commit, but it's interesting to see/talk to the numbers.
And you should have seen the RTP table a couple of weeks ago at an helo industry expo. And those were just the Army guys!
So I feel like I should know this as I’m basically an Air Force pilot that happens to wear gold wings, but are the AF’s gmt requirements, extra queep and ground jobs even comparable to what the typical Navy Jo has to contend with? I hear AF pilots complain about the above endlessly, so I’m curious to know if they really have it that bad or if they’re just drama queens
What risk? Like I said, most of it is now up to the CO to complete in the manner which they see fit. I've received zero pressure from 2x CAGs and 2x CDREs about this. The only training requirements that have received ISIC level attention were the pre-deployment CENTCOM SERE mando requirements. This is not an issue in the fleet from where I sit.
The type of risk that if a rash of suicides occurred in your squadron and you hadn’t done suicide prevention or awareness “training” that you wouldn’t get looked at sideways from your chain of command. You don’t do required training for a certain issue, you’re assuming risk. It’s not a knock at anyone, it’s just a way the military tries to unsuccessfully solve problems. I’m sure your chain of commands are rational and logical but many as you quickly pointed out (non-VFA types apparently) are not.
I'm not sure 15 minutes is representative, but the walking about annual training requirements is definitely overstated. If your claim is that transgender and sexual harassment training is the reason you couldn't make mission, then you suck.You suck really, really bad.
On the Marine side, the "every Marine a rifleman" stuff can be a problem. I assume there's at least a little of something analogous in the Navy.
Nowhere did I ever advocate not doing the training. FWIW, we had a suicide in my command a couple years ago when I was XO. Nobody ever asked us whether we had completed suicide prevention training (of course, we had). ISIC level interaction during that event was 100% "what can we do to help you guys get through this."
I think we're beginning to see a pattern.
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It isn't about the training per se...it is about priorities. Some Chair Force chode throat punches a tranny stripper and we all need to immediately have a SAPR stand down...remember that one? (the tranny part happened but isn't what triggered the standown).
Wow. AvIP for DHs, and COs only. That's a hell of a caveat.
Understatement of the century. A VMU dirt det went forward to CENTCOM- CoC up to MAW was more concerned that these guys shoot every possible direct small/medium fire weapon in the USMC inventory than be really proficient at flying the robot/doing the recce mission. "Sorry, we can't fly this week, we're shooting down at Stone Bay" was a regular occurrence.
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Selection is 1000% how amazing of a person and leader you are. It is also a reminder of what a failure you are if you do not screen. Not only do you suck at the Navy, but you suck at life so you deserve nothing.
To be fair, if a duty had to take me from flying I'd be 100% ok if it were shooting. There are worse things to take you away from the "cockpit," but I do understand where you're coming from.
Pays to be a winner?