Air Force increases pilot age limit

[Deleted member 67144 scul]

Would you say your job is... expendable?

It may astonish you, but I certainly would say so, in fact. 100%. It's simply the way things go in a rat race in a cutthroat industry, especially large corporations going downhill and employing desperate measures. The only dispute is whether individuals are willing to accept it or not.

 

[robav8r]

 

[Flash]

It may astonish you, but I certainly would say so, in fact. 100%. It's simply the way things go in a rat race in a cutthroat industry, especially large corporations going downhill and employing desperate measures. The only dispute is whether individuals are willing to accept it or not.

 

[BigRed389]

It may astonish you, but I certainly would say so, in fact. 100%. It's simply the way things go in a rat race in a cutthroat industry, especially large corporations going downhill and employing desperate measures. The only dispute is whether individuals are willing to accept it or not.

Nobody here gives a fuck about your corporate experience.

Nobody in the community you go into will truly be impressed by your corporate experience, and the communities you actually serve as a supporting function will give even less of a fuck.

This site is a great opportunity (especially as a probable DCO graduate type who won’t get a Marine DI and Navy CPO on full throttle to properly get disabused of delusions of grandeur) to test responses to your attitude and demeanor. How you respond to that feedback says a lot about you.

 

[Meyerkord]

My Navy friends say that while the Navy has only recently begun to acknowledge an issue, the problem became serious some time back.
Is that the consensus on this site?

I'm in the very early stages of flight school, so take this with a grain of salt, but our CO talked to us last week and said they're finally starting to get the numbers they're looking for as far as people waiting to class up in Pensacola, hence why the flight school rules and expectations have recently tightened. I'm sure retention later on down the line is a whole different animal.

 

[sevenhelmet]

No expertise needed sir.

That you would even have the gall to say this tells me everything I need to know about you. Answer me this: could news headlines and water-cooler complaints about one fortune 500 company tell me everything I need to know about what's happening in corporate America? No expertise needed, right?

In case my irony is lost on you, tell you what- how about I don't spout off about civilian sector jobs, and you don't spout off about military retention problems. Maybe we can stick to what we are actually experts on, rather than asserting what we know about someone else based on a few clickbait headlines and what a couple of USAF guys said. That way we might actually learn something from each other. Sound good?

Meanwhile, if you're ever in the Lemoore area, I'm happy to gulp some sculpins, slug some strongs, gargle some goldens, drink some darks, brew some blondes, or whatever type of beer suits your fancy.

 

[Deleted member 67144 scul]

delusions of grandeur

As you make assumptions about me, I'm sincerely curious how noting one of the most consistent and vocal concerns of the Air Force relates to "delusions of grandeur" (that's how this all started, by the way). If you mention that heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US because it's repeatedly published in every news piece and academic study and every cardiologist tells you all about it, is it 'delusional' to state as such? Certainly not. It's caused a bit of a stir, regardless.

Nor are 'intimidating' people on full throttle something I'm unfamiliar with by any means, but getting into my history is irrelevant. I don't care much about impressing anyone, least of all random people on the internet. But, get almost killed saving some Iraqis' lives and your reward is getting told something to the effect of in Arabic "fuck your mother Christian dog" (which if you are familiar with cursing over there, you know that "kus umak" is one of the worst things you can tell someone) because that's how strongly some people over there felt about the occupation regardless of good deeds. No need to remind me either no one gives a fuck about that. But the moral of the story is you learn to do things for the sake of doing it, not to gain anything from it.

Treetop was alluding to another thread, by the way. I was humoring it with my response.

Answer me this: could headlines and water-cooler complaints

False equivalence. An equivalent question would be: "Could a Fortune 500's company's executives' repeated complaints for years about a specific issue, people directly and intimately related to that specific issue, and recruitment priorities and recruiters regarding that specific issue to the point of harassment tell me about a specific issue regarding said Fortune 500 company?"

And my answer to that would be: Yes that's a big concern for that company. Very straight-forward. You can see that we are in agreement here.

 

[BigRed389]

As you make assumptions about me, I'm sincerely curious how noting one of the most consistent and vocal concerns of the Air Force relates to "delusions of grandeur" (that's how this all started, by the way). If you mention that heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US because it's repeatedly published in every news piece and academic study and every cardiologist tells you all about it, is it 'delusional' to state as such? Certainly not. It's caused a bit of a stir, regardless.

Nor are 'intimidating' people on full throttle something I'm unfamiliar with by any means, but getting into my history is irrelevant. I don't care much about impressing anyone, least of all random people on the internet. But, get almost killed saving some Iraqis' lives and your reward is getting told something to the effect of in Arabic "fuck your mother Christian dog" (which if you are familiar with cursing over there, you know that "kus umak" is one of the worst things you can tell someone) because that's how strongly some people over there felt about the occupation regardless of good deeds. No need to remind me either no one gives a fuck about that. But the moral of the story is you learn to do things for the sake of doing it, not to gain anything from it.

Treetop was alluding to another thread, by the way. I was humoring it with my response.



False equivalence. An equivalent question would be: "Could a Fortune 500's company's executives' repeated complaints for years about a specific issue, people directly and intimately related to that specific issue, and recruitment priorities and recruiters regarding that specific issue to the point of harassment tell me about a specific issue regarding said Fortune 500 company?"

And my answer to that would be: Yes that's a big concern for that company. Very straight-forward. You can see that we are in agreement here.

And apparently you chose to double down.

Interesting strategy.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

As you make assumptions about me, I'm sincerely curious how noting one of the most consistent and vocal concerns of the Air Force relates to "delusions of grandeur" (that's how this all started, by the way). If you mention that heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US because it's repeatedly published in every news piece and academic study and every cardiologist tells you all about it, is it 'delusional' to state as such? Certainly not. It's caused a bit of a stir, regardless.

Nor are 'intimidating' people on full throttle something I'm unfamiliar with by any means, but getting into my history is irrelevant. I don't care much about impressing anyone, least of all random people on the internet. But, get almost killed saving some Iraqis' lives and your reward is getting told something to the effect of in Arabic "fuck your mother Christian dog" (which if you are familiar with cursing over there, you know that "kus umak" is one of the worst things you can tell someone) because that's how strongly some people over there felt about the occupation regardless of good deeds. No need to remind me either no one gives a fuck about that. But the moral of the story is you learn to do things for the sake of doing it, not to gain anything from it.

Treetop was alluding to another thread, by the way. I was humoring it with my response.



False equivalence. An equivalent question would be: "Could a Fortune 500's company's executives' repeated complaints for years about a specific issue, people directly and intimately related to that specific issue, and recruitment priorities and recruiters regarding that specific issue to the point of harassment tell me about a specific issue regarding said Fortune 500 company?"

And my answer to that would be: Yes that's a big concern for that company. Very straight-forward. You can see that we are in agreement here.

I didn’t read any of that. People are telling you to shut the fuck up

 

[Swanee]

I'm not normally one for the old ways, but, can we get a gag order on this dude?

 

[Gatordev]

I'm sincerely curious how noting one of the most consistent and vocal concerns of the Air Force relates to "delusions of grandeur" (that's how this all started, by the way). If you mention that heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US because it's repeatedly published in every news piece and academic study and every cardiologist tells you all about it, is it 'delusional' to state as such? Certainly not. It's caused a bit of a stir, regardless.

Sculpin, you need to understand who you're interacting with here on the forum. Someone (a winged Naval Aviator, as it turned out) was asking about something specific to the inner workings of the AF. An Air Force pilot (or former one) responded with specific information to the inner workings of the situation (which by the way, has also been covered in threads that you may not have access to read). Having some third party come in and quote press headlines isn't really valuable to the discussion.

Or for your analogy, if someone asks a question a cardiologist could answer with authority, having some third party with no cardiology expertise come in and quote a press headline doesn't add much to the conversation.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Wow.

I vote we send Sculpin to @Brett327 's (former) squadron for remedial training!

 

[wink]

Wow.

I vote we send Sculpin to @Brett327 's (former) squadron for remedial training!

What? A deep select for Jets? He will be jumping over 58% of the candidates. Hardly fair.

 

[Deleted member 67144 scul]

Sculpin, you need to understand who you're interacting with here on the forum. Someone (a winged Naval Aviator, as it turned out) was asking about something specific to the inner workings of the AF. An Air Force pilot (or former one) responded with specific information to the inner workings of the situation (which by the way, has also been covered in threads that you may not have access to read). Having some third party come in and quote press headlines isn't really valuable to the discussion.

Or for your analogy, if someone asks a question a cardiologist could answer with authority, having some third party with no cardiology expertise come in and quote a press headline doesn't add much to the conversation.

The thing about the analogy is that it is the cardiologist tells you heart disease is the leading cause of death. As in my case, pilots and ORs have told me about this, which I had noted in prior comments, I'm not just talking about whatever General Goldfein and other top brass have stated. I thank you for making it clear that I have been misunderstood, or otherwise, selectively understood.

Furthermore, I assume of course you're not implying I should not trust what aviators and recruiters tell me, as trusting such people is what I'm currently under fire for.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Just brothers of a different mother.

Sorry sir. Part of my job is convincing some upper management why outsourcing my department and others to India is not a good idea amidst rolling layoffs, and they enjoy having very extended conversations before they decide anything in your favor because often they don't have much better to do than have meetings. A large and consistent part of my job is handholding people in India, which more often than not requires a lot of carefully crafted speech and mentoring in order to get them to get things done right.

As a result, I have become a gregarious politician of sorts in some settings. But is potentially saving dozens of high-skilled American jobs worth it? One does not simply put a price on that. Most likely, the President would agree.

So the answer is...No.

Next time save all that extra typing.