That's right, because the only ones that contribute to the fight drop ordnance, right?If you don't drop you shouldn't rate a S/F medal. Fuck this trophy/snowflake bs. Unless you're dropping bombs you should just be happy to be there.
That's right, because the only ones that contribute to the fight drop ordnance, right?If you don't drop you shouldn't rate a S/F medal. Fuck this trophy/snowflake bs. Unless you're dropping bombs you should just be happy to be there.
Drop what? Bombs? Intel? Electrons?If you don't drop you shouldn't rate a S/F medal. Fuck this trophy/snowflake bs. Unless you're dropping bombs you should just be happy to be there.
If you don't drop you shouldn't rate a S/F medal. Fuck this trophy/snowflake bs. Unless you're dropping bombs you should just be happy to be there.
If you are talking campaign medals, don't think you (assuming Intel) or CSSN rate one, unless there is some caveat for intel support for a strike that goes kinetic. I could be wrong, and I did OIR before it was called that so we had no real Stan (or even a campaign name) if you will, but in OEF you wouldn't have based afloat. I know various CAGs over time have broad brush awarded people campaign medals, but the fine print doesn't support that.
Right so just to clarify, I contributed less picking up actual injured/killed from a point of injury out in the desert compared with the "fighter/bomber" who is burning circles at 30k did? Yeah, fuck you.If you don't drop you shouldn't rate a S/F medal. Fuck this trophy/snowflake bs. Unless you're dropping bombs you should just be happy to be there.
If you are talking campaign medals, don't think you (assuming Intel) or CSSN rate one, unless there is some caveat for intel support for a strike that goes kinetic. I could be wrong, and I did OIR before it was called that so we had no real Stan (or even a campaign name) if you will, but in OEF you wouldn't have based afloat. I know various CAGs over time have broad brush awarded people campaign medals, but the fine print doesn't support that.
Right so just to clarify, I contributed less picking up actual injured/killed from a point of injury out in the desert compared with the "fighter/bomber" who is burning circles at 30k did? Yeah, fuck you.
My point wasn't about the Tacair guys. Obviously they are doing a vital mission even if/when it's just CAP/ISR. All I was saying was there may be a time that they don't get to drop bombs and that their contribution still being better than life-saving MEDEVAC is bullshit.Concur with your fuck you. Do not concur with your burning circles at 30k.
You're kidding, right? Get real dude.
https://pilotonline.com/news/milita...cle_4e279d2a-17e2-5e4d-bdb8-5cf831ce546e.html
My point wasn't about the Tacair guys. Obviously they are doing a vital mission even if/when it's just CAP/ISR. All I was saying was there may be a time that they don't get to drop bombs and that their contribution still being better than life-saving MEDEVAC is bullshit.
And yes I KNOW they are rocking ISIS right now. But there was a cruise or two when they didn't drop anything. Again, that has nothing to do with my point. It was to illustrate the stupidity of saying that if you're not dropping bombs you're worthless.
According to instruction, intel doesn't rate the OIR medal. I'm mixed on who should get the real OEF/OIF/OIR campaign medals...
The whole let's have-a-second-class-campaign-medal is a new thing since 9/11, which bugs me a bit since it doesn't have a historical precedent (I guess according to some all the folks afloat or at bases elsewhere in theater in Desert Storm and Vietnam who got the same medal as those in combat were just snowflakes getting their participation trophy!).
Your comment about CAGs giving them out en masse explains one or two I've seen on folks that I know for a fact never went in country, now I know not to scream stolen valor at my fellow intel types
Being in/over country is the only determinant for getting the campaign medal, not rating or designator.
There is in fact some precedence for campaign medals being so restrictive, just not very recent. There is also good reason with the campaign medal geographic criteria being broader for Vietnam and the Gulf War, where forces in the surrounding area were in the combat zone (within a threat ring for lack of a better term) while those outside Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan really aren't with the exception of aviators, which is why there is the exception for them.
A CAG can't just decide to hand out medals if he/she is not authorized, it would be just like the SWO pins 'awarded' to aviators nowadays, largely meaningless and not official.
BTW I'm pretty sure that's me in the bubble shooting...Concur with your fuck you. Do not concur with your burning circles at 30k.
You're kidding, right? Get real dude.
https://pilotonline.com/news/milita...cle_4e279d2a-17e2-5e4d-bdb8-5cf831ce546e.html
Just did some more wikipedia-ing, apparently there are 2x Vietnam medals. The first is for everybody involved, the other is specific to in-country (land or air) and 7th fleet. Interesting that 7th fleet was considered enough of a threat zone to justify it, but I stand corrected about the historical precedent (didn't know about the latter medal).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Service_Medal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Campaign_Medal
As for Desert Storm, I guess most of the folks in theater were in a Scud WEZ or possibly dealing with some kind of maritime threat you don't have from ISIL (or whatever terrorist group was being fought at a given time in the last 15+ years.
I think a lot of people don't understand or believe what happens in medevac because they don't hear or read about it. Army medevac guys aren't just flying in a theoretical threat zone, they are actually being engaged by the enemy. USMC is probably the same.My point wasn't about the Tacair guys. Obviously they are doing a vital mission even if/when it's just CAP/ISR. All I was saying was there may be a time that they don't get to drop bombs and that their contribution still being better than life-saving MEDEVAC is bullshit.
And yes I KNOW they are rocking ISIS right now. But there was a cruise or two when they didn't drop anything. Again, that has nothing to do with my point. It was to illustrate the stupidity of saying that if you're not dropping bombs you're worthless.