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Europe under extreme duress
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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No, but their MP's aren't always locals to the constituencies they represent in parliament and prominent folks from a party will sometimes get parachuted into a 'safe' constituencies even if they have never lived there. Party identification is often much stronger in the UK and that practice usually isn't a problem.
Sort of, but not quite the same. She actually resided there, even if for just a short time before being elected, while that is not the case with some in the UK.
Polls are predicting a REMAIN victory but 5 districts have just reported: Newcastle was much closer than expected (was expected to go REMAIN) and Sunderland went big for LEAVE. The pound has started to drop. Will be long night watching the BBC....
Currently reporting turnout is very heavy (70%), especially in the de-industrialized areas home to many in the working class (think Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania). Looks like it is Scotland & London vs the remainder of England...
As Scotland is heavily REMAIN, if the UK votes to leave the EU, then Scotland will try again to break away from England.
Currently reporting turnout is very heavy (70%), especially in the de-industrialized areas home to many in the working class (think Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania). Looks like it is Scotland & London vs the remainder of England...
As Scotland is heavily REMAIN, if the UK votes to leave the EU, then Scotland will try again to break away from England.
So the Brits have exited. It's going to hurt the UK and the EU...just a matter of who it hurts more and sooner.
The Scots are pushing for another independence referendum as a result...as if this wasn't messy enough.
The Scots are pushing for another independence referendum as a result...as if this wasn't messy enough.
Interesting. I predict more hurt to the EU than to the UK. But either way, this is a sign of the times...
And that is the point. Does the EU bring benefits to the UK, sure. But what sits on the other side of the balance sheet? It is different for every country and it isn't just economic. Their culture and history make a difference. That played a big role in the UK vote.
As an aside, some pundits seem to forget the UK is not part of the Euro Zone. The UK departure should have little impact there. And didn't Schengen exist before the EU?
It is going to be an interesting and messy divorce to say the least. A lot of international agreements that have been signed since the UK joined the European Economic Community 1973 to include the EU-US Open Skies Treaty among many others, everything from trade to security to taxes, will no longer apply to the UK. Almost all of them will have to be redone with the UK alone, and that is for every EU agreement with everyone around the world. If I was in the Foreign Ministry I would be cringing right now at the amount of work needed to be done.
Another big issue is money. While the UK sent a lot of money to the EU the EU also sent a lot of money back to the UK. Now instead of relying on the EU to handle many things the UK will have to do it alone, likely costing them money they don't have. Everything from the NHS to defense will likely suffer as a result of the short term economic uncertainty, it is anyone's guess what will happen in the long term to include whether 'The City' retains it's place in the financial world.
Yes and no. The EU is the evolution of the EEC and kept its institutions, rules and laws, Schengen came into existence in 1985 when the EEC was still around. Moot point though with the UK, they are not part of Schengen.
Another big issue is money. While the UK sent a lot of money to the EU the EU also sent a lot of money back to the UK. Now instead of relying on the EU to handle many things the UK will have to do it alone, likely costing them money they don't have. Everything from the NHS to defense will likely suffer as a result of the short term economic uncertainty, it is anyone's guess what will happen in the long term to include whether 'The City' retains it's place in the financial world.
Yes and no. The EU is the evolution of the EEC and kept its institutions, rules and laws, Schengen came into existence in 1985 when the EEC was still around. Moot point though with the UK, they are not part of Schengen.
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If there is an EU left for the Scots to join. The whole thing may fall apart.
I particularly enjoyed The Donald tweeting that people were 'going wild' over the vote. He's in Scotland. So overwhelmingly pro-Remain they're probably going to try to secede and rejoin the EU. But hey, he's never let reality get in the way of his being 'right' before, so.
It also seems pretty clear that Brexit is bad for the US, no? If that's the case, then why is Trump for it? Or, in other words, why is he in favor of something that doesn't favor the US? It's better if he's wrong, thinking it's actually good for the US. If it's because he's simply ideologically aligned with the UKIP more than he's aligned with US interests, then his prideful lack of loyalty is telling. (telling us nothing new, but whatever)
He's for it because the current administration was/is against it. The president could rightfully claim that water is wet, Trump could argue against that and cause a crowd to cheer.
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UKIP is based upon stopping massive immigration and anti-globalization/loss of sovereignty. Trump's main points are the same. Even though the polls in the UK said it would be close but not pass - and all of the elites were lined up against it, working class voters came out in unprecedented numbers to prove the pundits wrong. Sound familiar?
All true, but it isn't like they are starting from scratch. Clearly messy and painful for some, but Yugoslavia and the Czechs survived disoloving their countries.
I find it hard to believe dollar for dollar the UK made money from the EU. Yes, they paid plenty to the EU, and got a lot back. But it was more like a money laundering scheme. They sent money to the EU and unelected bureaucrats decided how it would be spent in the UK, and other places. The entire EU is undemocratic. There are benefits for some, but it is at the expense of independence and self determination.