Frustrated, airsick, and miserable.

[haimehhh]

Good luck, keep killing it studying and preparing, try to enjoy yourself. I'm with yourself and the others wrt DOR- keep swinging til they stop the fight or you get a knockout.

 

[croakerfish]

Did you get any Adaptation flights? When I went through, one of my classmates had debilitating airsickness, so he got the pills, did the spin and puke, and also did a fair number of ungraded flight with the Wing AMSO (good old Cookie at the time) just to adapt. That would probably help you out a lot, if you still have any lingering airsickness from time to time.

 

[Randy Daytona]

Did you get any Adaptation flights? When I went through, one of my classmates had debilitating airsickness, so he got the pills, did the spin and puke, and also did a fair number of ungraded flight with the Wing AMSO (good old Cookie at the time) just to adapt. That would probably help you out a lot, if you still have any lingering airsickness from time to time.

Correct. Go over to Bay Minette, say hello to the girls, and rent an airplane with a CFI, preferably on a Saturday / Sunday and fly around the local area when the outlying fields are closed (do not land at them...). There is absolutely no pressure. See if improves your SA, furthermore, see if you still enjoy flying.

 

[JollyGood]

First,
Don't DOR, it closes doors down the road.
Second, why are you failing? Pretty sure MIF for BAW is a 2 in the C4100 block. There is more to the story than a poor scan and inability to fly.

As someone who has been at this and see a few students like you come through, an FPC on the C4104 is not good.

When did you do your IPC?

Two failures in GS will speak volumes to the CO, and he will be evaluating your ability to train, not your ability to fly a C4104. Show up ready to crush the brief and have a positive attitude. Nothing else can be controlled at this point.

Pickle

Agree with this. If you DOR, doors get slammed shut very quickly. In my experience, every student I have seen DOR has been admin sep'd even if they wanted to re-designate to SWO or Intel. Stick with it and push through these current struggles to the best of your ability if you still want it.

Also, I have to echo sentiments here that you sound too wound up and need to relax. I always found my best events were right after my terrible events. I would study hard to make sure I knew all the knowledge necessary but I also attacked it with the mindset of "well last flight was disgusting and I can only learn from it get better from here."

Take a step back and a deep breath, you might be killing yourself with over-studying. If you can recite everything verbatim, it sounds more headwork than anything, so maybe you need to unwind and relax instead of ramp yourself up before a flight.

Regardless, keep your head up and try not to be too discouraged. This shit is difficult. That's why there is so much pride in doing the job.

 

[jabrodo]

Did you get any Adaptation flights?

No, just got put on medication. Doc wanted to see where it went from there first.

Correct. Go over to Bay Minette, say hello to the girls, and rent an airplane with a CFI, preferably on a Saturday / Sunday and fly around the local area when the outlying fields are closed (do not land at them...).

I was under the impression that flying in your own time was not permitted. Something along the lines of being high-risk and not wanting you to learn bad habits.

Take a deep breath and relax. To me, it sounds like you're not flying well because you are overthinking and second guessing yourself. My worst flights in primary and advanced were the ones that I was nervous/uptight. That is no way to fly.

Also, I have to echo sentiments here that you sound too wound up and need to relax. I always found my best events were right after my terrible events.
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Take a step back and a deep breath, you might be killing yourself with over-studying. If you can recite everything verbatim, it sounds more headwork than anything, so maybe you need to unwind and relax instead of ramp yourself up before a flight.

Thanks for the advice. This might be it more than anything. I'll try to relax.

 

[Gatordev]

Did you get any Adaptation flights? When I went through, one of my classmates had debilitating airsickness, so he got the pills, did the spin and puke, and also did a fair number of ungraded flight with the Wing AMSO (good old Cookie at the time) just to adapt. That would probably help you out a lot, if you still have any lingering airsickness from time to time.

Adaptation flights seem to come and go depending on where in the FY you are and the squadron's IPP (or lack thereof). With the historic T-6 availability, I wouldn't be surprised if squadrons aren't excited about using an UP asset to burn an adaptation flight.

I was under the impression that flying in your own time was not permitted. Something along the lines of being high-risk and not wanting you to learn bad habits.

You'll need to talk to STUCON, but (again) historically, high-risk leave/liberty activities required nothing more than a Special Request chit. That mostly came about after someone got struck by lightning on a boat during the weekend. After working all week as a stud, I can't say I would have been excited about flying on the weekend, however, I also have not wanted to do anything more than flying, and also flying for the Navy, so if you think it will help, and you truly want this (and only you know the answer to that), it might be helpful.

 

[RiseR 25]

Not to be a dick here, but how did you get past your commissioning program? Judging by the fact you said midshipman my guess is NROTC. You have an engineering degree, awesome. But are you really trying to emulate an astronaut just because you have a fascination, I'm confused on that part.

I would advise you not to DOR, but please for others' sake try to figure out what you're doing and why you're there my 0.02.

 

[MGoBrew11]

Not to be a dick here, but how did you get past your commissioning program? Judging by the fact you said midshipman my guess is NROTC.

Not to be a dick here, but wtf does that have to do with anything? He'll either pass or he won't. And best of luck to him.

 

[AllYourBass]

Not to be a dick here

*proceeds to be a dick here*

 

[cfam]

Keep fighting man! I can't count how many times I've doubted myself after a particularly rough flight, but I can definitely say that the hard work is worth it. Naval Aviation isn't easy, but that's part of what makes it such a great place to be.

 

[MGoBrew11]

Not to be a dick here, but how did you get past your commissioning program? Judging by the fact you said midshipman my guess is NROTC. You have an engineering degree, awesome. But are you really trying to emulate an astronaut just because you have a fascination, I'm confused on that part.

I would advise you not to DOR, but please for others' sake try to figure out what you're doing and why you're there my 0.02.

And reading through your posts wow.....you even had the balls to post that after not making it through OCS. Well done.

 

[RiseR 25]

And reading through your posts wow.....you even had the balls to post that after not making it through OCS. Well done.

You know you're right to call me out on that. I was trying to figure out what his motivations are based on his completion of his engineering degree.

 

[Pags]

You know you're right to call me out on that. I was trying to figure out what his motivations are based on his completion of his engineering degree.

What does an engineering degree have to do with flying motivations and ability? How is it at all relevant?

 

[wlawr005]

MIF is 3 for C4100s. Just double checked to be sure. And it really is a poor scan, particularly in the pattern. I'll lose track of altitude while maintaining heading, spacing, airspeed, ground track, cross wind correction, and running through the landing checklist. Swap as you like, its always something.

IPC was actually an FPC for the ground school failures. About two months ago.

First, good luck to you man. I had a friend in Primary who got sick a lot and she had a tough time there for a while. She ended up making it though and is now a -53 driver in California, so don't give up and don't DOR.

As for the above, I'm not an instructor those guys have plenty more experience teaching you how to fly, but I'll throw out my advice for what it's worth...

Your scan in the pattern is slow, but there are ways to speed it up. Be methodical, solve each problem, and move on. If it were me I would really focus on heading, altitude, and airspeed. If you can nail those three every time, the rest of the corrections will be smaller and easier. You have to pick something to get right at first and those three are pretty good starting points.

Personally, when I see a number on an instrument, I think about that number and then whether it's fast, slow, high, or low. 110 doesn't mean much to my brain, but the word slow means my left hand needs to do something. 1500' doesn't tell my brain anything, but high means my right hand needs to move forward.

I hope that makes sense. Try looking outside...in front and to your left and right. You'll find that at each runway there is a field or tree or house you are probably flying over each time in the pattern. Once you figure that out, you've pretty much got the heading thing solved.

 

[RiseR 25]

I have an engineering degree as well, and I may have had the same aspirations that he had as well at some point. But by reading his post it seemed firsthand that he got the engineering degree because he wanted to be an astronaut and/or flyer, not because he wanted to be an engineer.