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CuriousInquirer

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I was recently selected for Supply Officer after applying to OCS. I applied for Intel and Information Warfare, but I got Supply.

I don't know the first thing about Supply. My degree was relevant to Intel and Info, not Supply. It's a mystery to me how I got Supply.
But I still intend to accept the offer, in the absence of any other visible options.

I don't much care for the idea of being underway for months and months, or stuck on a ship everyday. Therefore, Supply concerns me.
I was informed that Intel and Info don't normally spend their time on ships or underway, so I wasn't concerned and that's why it seemed safe to apply.

My primary question (among many others) is: Are there any kind of options for a Supply Officer to work on shore? I don't care where it is... Japan, Korea, Guam, whatever. I just want to work on shore, in a port, that kind of thing. I wouldn't imagine that every Supply Officer works exclusively aboard a ship. There has to be someone in a warehouse in a port some where who never leaves the vicinity of the warehouse. Isn't there? Or perhaps there is an airstrip somewhere that tends to the needs of Naval Aircraft, wouldn't there be some kind of Supply Officer there who never leaves the aircraft station?
And if these things exist, is it within a fair likelihood that a fresh Supply Officer out of Supply School could get assigned to one of these locations?
I've read a bit on here so far, and it sounds to me like everyone gets put on a ship and gets 1 day off out of every 3 months. I do not believe that is for me, and it isn't what I really "signed up for". So without having some kind of reassurance or encouragement that I could have the option to actually go and work overseas rather than just on-the-sea, I am having a hard time accepting the job with confidence.
 

BackOrdered

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I was recently selected for Supply Officer after applying to OCS. I applied for Intel and Information Warfare, but I got Supply.

I don't know the first thing about Supply. My degree was relevant to Intel and Info, not Supply. It's a mystery to me how I got Supply.

But I still intend to accept the offer, in the absence of any other visible options.



You'll be surprised. Look into Navy ERP. The Supply Corps is currently rolling it out for air stations and are in need of Chops with IT backgrounds to manage and design the program's success. As a programing major, I not only ensure logistical needs are met for several air stations, keeping aviators in the sky, but I help design databases at the relational level and manage the technical defects within the entire ERP program Navy wide. It has been VERY career enhancing as a chop, resume building and personally fullfilling!

And yes, you make a fortune managing ERP for civilian corporations when you get out. SAP is found everywhere. It is a job for life.

I don't much care for the idea of being underway for months and months, or stuck on a ship everyday. Therefore, Supply concerns me.

I was informed that Intel and Info don't normally spend their time on ships or underway, so I wasn't concerned and that's why it seemed safe to apply.

There are alot of shore billets in supply after your first tour, but you have to pay your dues at sea. You can possibly spend a career ashore, but you will find promotion difficult and oppurtunities won't favor you. During your first tour, shore operational billets are very very few if not nonexistent and competitive for selection. Afterwards, they are just competitive only if you want an operational shore billet.

Honestly, if you joined the military to be on shore, go Air Force, Army or Marine. Even as an intel or info type, I don't know how effective you would be supporting the common sailor having never experienced sea duty.

My primary question (among many others) is: Are there any kind of options for a Supply Officer to work on shore? I don't care where it is... Japan, Korea, Guam, whatever. I just want to work on shore, in a port, that kind of thing. I wouldn't imagine that every Supply Officer works exclusively aboard a ship. There has to be someone in a warehouse in a port some where who never leaves the vicinity of the warehouse. Isn't there? Or perhaps there is an airstrip somewhere that tends to the needs of Naval Aircraft, wouldn't there be some kind of Supply Officer there who never leaves the aircraft station?

I really do want to answer you, but you seem to have the wrong attitude about Naval service and the Supply Corps. I'm not sure if it will be of any help.

And if these things exist, is it within a fair likelihood that a fresh Supply Officer out of Supply School could get assigned to one of these locations?

No in all likelihood.

I've read a bit on here so far, and it sounds to me like everyone gets put on a ship and gets 1 day off out of every 3 months. I do not believe that is for me, and it isn't what I really "signed up for". So without having some kind of reassurance or encouragement that I could have the option to actually go and work overseas rather than just on-the-sea, I am having a hard time accepting the job with confidence.

That is not accurate. You will have to contribute to the in-port watch, but even on a small boy you will get 2 days off a week, less if the work load requires it of you.

That's the big thing. Doing what is required of you. No one is going to be eager to serve with an Officer who doesn't feel as if he should be doing what is required of his peers and feels entitled to shore duty. I think you should reconsider the Navy altogether, but good luck all the same.
 

HAL Pilot

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I was recently selected for Supply Officer after applying to OCS. I applied for Intel and Information Warfare, but I got Supply.

I don't know the first thing about Supply. My degree was relevant to Intel and Info, not Supply. It's a mystery to me how I got Supply.
But I still intend to accept the offer, in the absence of any other visible options.

I don't much care for the idea of being underway for months and months, or stuck on a ship everyday. Therefore, Supply concerns me.
I was informed that Intel and Info don't normally spend their time on ships or underway, so I wasn't concerned and that's why it seemed safe to apply.

My primary question (among many others) is: Are there any kind of options for a Supply Officer to work on shore? I don't care where it is... Japan, Korea, Guam, whatever. I just want to work on shore, in a port, that kind of thing. I wouldn't imagine that every Supply Officer works exclusively aboard a ship. There has to be someone in a warehouse in a port some where who never leaves the vicinity of the warehouse. Isn't there? Or perhaps there is an airstrip somewhere that tends to the needs of Naval Aircraft, wouldn't there be some kind of Supply Officer there who never leaves the aircraft station?
And if these things exist, is it within a fair likelihood that a fresh Supply Officer out of Supply School could get assigned to one of these locations?
I've read a bit on here so far, and it sounds to me like everyone gets put on a ship and gets 1 day off out of every 3 months. I do not believe that is for me, and it isn't what I really "signed up for". So without having some kind of reassurance or encouragement that I could have the option to actually go and work overseas rather than just on-the-sea, I am having a hard time accepting the job with confidence.
You need to do both yourself and the Navy a favor and stay a civilian. Your whole idea of what the military is about is f'd up and your attitude sucks. It sounds like you plan on accepting Supply because it's the only job offer you have, either military or civilian. Wrong reason. You will regret it and will be miserable. You will make those who work with and for you regret it too. Any military position is NOT just a job. It will require you to make many sacrifices such as long stretches away from home, long work days and limited time off. You'll also have to sacrafice many of the personal freedoms you currently take for granted. It sounds like you do not want to nor are you ready to do this.
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
I was recently selected for Supply Officer after applying to OCS. I applied for Intel and Information Warfare, but I got Supply.

I don't know the first thing about Supply. My degree was relevant to Intel and Info, not Supply. It's a mystery to me how I got Supply..

It's no mystery, Intel slots are & will remain, unavailable for some time...maybe years. Your "Navy must meet my needs/wants" attitude doesn't make the grade. The Navy's need for you at this time is SUPPLY. If you're not down with that, job hunt elsewhere (non-military). Your me/me/me attitude indicates you would be a disgruntled, unhappy SuppO, making life miserable for you, and those who will look to you for leadership and inspiration. Our fine Sailors deserve much better than that! :rolleyes:

Good luck !
BzB
 

CuriousInquirer

New Member
You'll be surprised. Look into Navy ERP.
...
It has been VERY career enhancing as a chop, resume building and personally fullfilling!

There are alot of shore billets in supply after your first tour, but you have to pay your dues at sea. You can possibly spend a career ashore, but you will find promotion difficult and oppurtunities won't favor you. During your first tour, shore operational billets are very very few if not nonexistent and competitive for selection. Afterwards, they are just competitive only if you want an operational shore billet.

Honestly, if you joined the military to be on shore, go Air Force, Army or Marine. Even as an intel or info type, I don't know how effective you would be supporting the common sailor having never experienced sea duty.

That's the big thing. Doing what is required of you. No one is going to be eager to serve with an Officer who doesn't feel as if he should be doing what is required of his peers and feels entitled to shore duty. I think you should reconsider the Navy altogether, but good luck all the same.

Your information has been very clarifying and also encouraging. Thank you. I definitely don't mind doing what is required of me, I just wanted to have some affect on my uses. I wanted to be useful in a particular way so that I can meet that requirement which fulfills personal aspirations as well as duty and need.

You need to do both yourself and the Navy a favor and stay a civilian. Your whole idea of what the military is about is f'd up and your attitude sucks. It sounds like you plan on accepting Supply because it's the only job offer you have, either military or civilian. Wrong reason. You will regret it and will be miserable. You will make those who work with and for you regret it too. Any military position is NOT just a job. It will require you to make many sacrifices such as long stretches away from home, long work days and limited time off. You'll also have to sacrafice many of the personal freedoms you currently take for granted. It sounds like you do not want to nor are you ready to do this.

Your "Navy must meet my needs/wants" attitude doesn't make the grade. Your me/me/me attitude indicates you would be a disgruntled, unhappy SuppO, making life miserable for you, and those who will look to you for leadership and inspiration. Our fine Sailors deserve much better than that! :rolleyes:

I don't know if my attitude sucks, but thanks for your input, I will consider it along with the other information I've received.
I think the attitude of "given my available options, what is the best course of action?" is a fairly standard human attitude. For those of us who want to serve for patriotic reasons: I thought this is the kind of freedom the military exists to protect. Unless one's motivation is purely mercenary in nature, in which case there's still that "me" paradigm.
Again, I was not asking the military to bend and shape to my needs. Given the militaries current needs, I was looking to bend and shape my own situation and abilities and knowledge so that I can successfully navigate and fit into the Navy's need that seems best for me. Heck, that's why got a bachelor's degree, that's why I majored in an Intel-related major and also minor, that's why I am here asking questions about options and possibilities: All an attempt at becoming the right fit, in order to fit the need that I wanted to meet. Don't we all do our jobs better when we love our job? Not sure what's so offensive about that.

Anyway, I truly appreciate all your candid opinions. I will try to make the best decision.
 

BackOrdered

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Contributor
Your information has been very clarifying and also encouraging. Thank you. I definitely don't mind doing what is required of me, I just wanted to have some affect on my uses. I wanted to be useful in a particular way so that I can meet that requirement which fulfills personal aspirations as well as duty and need.

That isn't how being an Ensign works. It has NOTHING to do with getting your way, but paying your dues. You seem more concerned with sand bagging it on shore than serving afloat forces.

Yes, I'm on shore duty myself right now and I won't be on shore duty a moment longer than I need to as I know a fellow Supply officer needs a relief so he can enjoy time with his family. And yes, I will miss my family when that day comes, but that is called sacrifice.

If I didn't know any better, I would think I joined some sort of crazy "Navy" or something...

Just stay civilian.
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
I don't know if my attitude sucks, but thanks for your input, I will consider it along with the other information I've received.
I think the attitude of "given my available options, what is the best course of action?" is a fairly standard human attitude. For those of us who want to serve for patriotic reasons: I thought this is the kind of freedom the military exists to protect. Unless one's motivation is purely mercenary in nature, in which case there's still that "me" paradigm

Sir, that outlined above is poppy cock drivel. You, lecturing experiencd military Officers on "what freedom the military exists to protect" is laughable, in that you've never served a day??

Dear Curious...this s**t gets old. A soon to graduate "College Hotshot", shows up here requesting advice, & answers to questions. When a number of fairly senior, experienced Naval Officers volunteered their time to try & evaluate your situation...you very obviously didn't like what you heard.he conclusion of most who responded to your original post, was your quasi-"I'm entitled/what's best for me" attitude.

Your latest responses, in some places whiny or sarcastic, indicate you have a chip on your shoulder for whatever reason. That won't sell here!:(

I have wasted enough time on this thread. My final recommendation: post less, read more & DON'T ask questions, if you can't handle answers which don't appeal to you!:rolleyes:
BzB, "Out"
 

NavyNukeNFO

FY09 NFO Selectee...turned FY12 CHOP
I was recently selected for Supply Officer after applying to OCS. I applied for Intel and Information Warfare, but I got Supply.

I don't know the first thing about Supply. My degree was relevant to Intel and Info, not Supply. It's a mystery to me how I got Supply.
But I still intend to accept the offer, in the absence of any other visible options.

I don't much care for the idea of being underway for months and months, or stuck on a ship everyday. Therefore, Supply concerns me.
I was informed that Intel and Info don't normally spend their time on ships or underway, so I wasn't concerned and that's why it seemed safe to apply.

My primary question (among many others) is: Are there any kind of options for a Supply Officer to work on shore? I don't care where it is... Japan, Korea, Guam, whatever. I just want to work on shore, in a port, that kind of thing. I wouldn't imagine that every Supply Officer works exclusively aboard a ship. There has to be someone in a warehouse in a port some where who never leaves the vicinity of the warehouse. Isn't there? Or perhaps there is an airstrip somewhere that tends to the needs of Naval Aircraft, wouldn't there be some kind of Supply Officer there who never leaves the aircraft station?
And if these things exist, is it within a fair likelihood that a fresh Supply Officer out of Supply School could get assigned to one of these locations?
I've read a bit on here so far, and it sounds to me like everyone gets put on a ship and gets 1 day off out of every 3 months. I do not believe that is for me, and it isn't what I really "signed up for". So without having some kind of reassurance or encouragement that I could have the option to actually go and work overseas rather than just on-the-sea, I am having a hard time accepting the job with confidence.


I want to give you a insight from someone that is NEW to the Supply world. Coming from the Nuke world it is completely different. Supply is all about EVERYONE ELSE on the ship, in the unit, on the sub, or on the SEAL Team. Your whole purpose is to make sure that our Worlds Finest Navy can support and defend your freedom. Yes those shore duty billets exist, and yes Supply seems to have a lot more shore duty incorporated into its pipeline, but as a former recruiter I can tell you already that you DO NOT WANT TO JOIN THE NAVY. I can easily help you out with this decision based on what you said. Whatever way you want to twist and turn it, you are more worried about yourself then anyone else. The Navy is about being a team player, and the Supply Corps more so than a lot of jobs. SO please do yourself and other officers like ourselves that have very clearly told you to stay away, and stay a civilian.

Last note...I was enlisted for 10 years prior to being commissioned....they wont want to work for someone like yourself either. They will eat you up and spit you out. Stay home in your comfy bed and sit in your room on your computer where it is all nice and warm and leave the protecting the world to the big boys.
 

CuriousInquirer

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Dear Curious...this s**t gets old. A soon to graduate "College Hotshot", shows up here requesting advice, & answers to questions. When a number of fairly senior, experienced Naval Officers volunteered their time to try & evaluate your situation...you very obviously didn't like what you heard.he conclusion of most who responded to your original post, was your quasi-"I'm entitled/what's best for me" attitude. Your latest responses, in some places whiny or sarcastic...


Responding to petty insults is always a bad idea, but I can't help it so here goes one last time....
I never said any of the things you've assumed, and you have assumed things wrongly.
My response to some of the advice I was given was not about the advice itself but in the way it was delivered. There is a recurring tone of condescension from certain individuals that implies there is something wrong with doing what one wants to do, or following one's dreams in life. I just find it highly ironic, and maybe hypocritical, that people who take the military so seriously and think it is the highest level of existence seem to be so opposed to ambitions or preferences. You swore to protect the constitution: I bet you've never even seen it or read it, and don't know what it's about. (You might want to take a look once every 20 years or so.) You seem to make the point that WANTING something is inherently bad, and that this bad trait is to be directly associating with "civilian", the opposite of everything you stand for. Well, I couldn't begin to comprehend what you think of yourself. Obviously since wanting something is bad, then you mustn't want your job, you mustn't like your job, you mustn't have any desire for promotion or advancement. Wanting is a bad thing, especially if you want something higher than the easy way forward. "Don't even think about attempting to direct your own career path!" Some of us seek to achieve our highest potentials, and if that's so wrong and "civilian" then I can't guess what what you think life is about. There's something masochistic about this ideology of depriving oneself of desirable things, and something sadistic about thinking everyone else should too. Sounds like a religion or something.

For those who actually made good attempts at good advice, thank you, it will be used well. For those that thought they were giving advice but poisoned it with condescension, try to remember that it's possible to inform an ignorant person, such as myself, without first insulting their ignorance or assuming an inability or unwillingness to learn, yet still I can learn from this. Then at least one responder clearly had no intention of helping, I wonder why it even bothered.
I will continue learning so as to be prepared as possible for OCS and the work after. Thanks for all the info, good and bad, it lets me know what to expect.
 

BackOrdered

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Hey CuriousInquirer

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Nuff, said.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
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CI,

There's a few individuals here that you don't really want to question their commitment, be it to the Constitution or just generally hacking it. BzB is one of those. He's fought (yes, actually FOUGHT) more foes, be it men or other, than you'll probably ever have to. So here's the warning... Don't talk up to him, if you get my point.

That said, wanting something is not a bad thing. I wanted to fly. But I also knew there was a price. What that price is varies for each person. For you, it sounds like it's having to actually do Navy stuff (be on a ship) isn't a price you want to pay. That's okay, but don't tell us that we don't understand.

You're not getting "it." We're telling you you're not getting "it," but you keep telling us we're wrong. You can have your wants and desires all you want, but as an O, you still serve. Not just the Constitution, not just the government, but the Navy and far more importantly, the guys who work for you. If you're not willing to sacrifice for them, they sure as hell won't do it for you.
 

CuriousInquirer

New Member
CI,

There's a few individuals here that you don't really want to question their commitment, be it to the Constitution or just generally hacking it. BzB is one of those. He's fought (yes, actually FOUGHT) more foes, be it men or other, than you'll probably ever have to. So here's the warning... Don't talk up to him, if you get my point.

That said, wanting something is not a bad thing. I wanted to fly. But I also knew there was a price. What that price is varies for each person. For you, it sounds like it's having to actually do Navy stuff (be on a ship) isn't a price you want to pay. That's okay, but don't tell us that we don't understand.

You're not getting "it." We're telling you you're not getting "it," but you keep telling us we're wrong. You can have your wants and desires all you want, but as an O, you still serve. Not just the Constitution, not just the government, but the Navy and far more importantly, the guys who work for you. If you're not willing to sacrifice for them, they sure as hell won't do it for you.
I get it, and I am willing, especially after learning so much from these benevolent educators. There's always something fun about threatening people over the internet. But not as much fun as quoting movies via photo. Love that scene. I was done (also, I thought so were you!) but we both just had to post one more. LOL, psychology. But I declare victory because this is my last one, no really!
Hey CuriousInquirer

dr-evil-zip-it1.jpg


Nuff, said.
 
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