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Random Griz Aviation Musings
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Tragic mishap this morning in Broward County, FL. Looks like an H145
What the hell happened? Clearly a fire, but it appears to have actually melted/burned through the tail? What a tragedy.
Apparently some crew members survived, a testament to the ship’s safety and crash features.
GroundPounder
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This is some of the crew crawling out of the impact area. They are simultaneously very unlucky and the luckiest MFers on the planet.
I'm told by a EMS/Helo DPE bud that the mishap aircraft is an EC-135T1
@Gatordev can you lend a comment?
Not all -135s have an extinguishing system. Our P2+'s don't, the P3s and up do (or at least my company's do). This is an older model, so unless they paid for it, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't installed. But that's just a guess. If not, pushing the button just closes the fuel valve and stops fuel in about 5 seconds (or maybe it was less...I was busy when I pushed mine).
I've brought up airframe fires, even post-extinguisher discharge, in the -60, especially when instructing, and been poo-poo'ed by some IPs. My argument is based on understanding the engine...a fire is going to come from somewhere inside the compartment, either from fuel spraying around (the fuel part of the triangle) or from fire spurting out from the hot section (the heat part of the triangle). Whether it's a -135 or a -60, it doesn't take long for that composite to start heating up and potentially spreading, thus adding more fuel that's not not contained in the compartment. No amount of Halon is going to stop something outside of the compartment.
This video is pretty instructive..and scary. The tail boom on the -135 is just a tube bolted onto the back end of the "egg," right between the engines. I get what he was doing...trying to make a running landing back at the runway. But this does motivate me to get down fast if I have secondaries. That said, with the airport so close, and what looks to be not a lot of options to put it down right underneath him...sheesh, that sucks.
I've brought up airframe fires, even post-extinguisher discharge, in the -60, especially when instructing, and been poo-poo'ed by some IPs. My argument is based on understanding the engine...a fire is going to come from somewhere inside the compartment, either from fuel spraying around (the fuel part of the triangle) or from fire spurting out from the hot section (the heat part of the triangle). Whether it's a -135 or a -60, it doesn't take long for that composite to start heating up and potentially spreading, thus adding more fuel that's not not contained in the compartment. No amount of Halon is going to stop something outside of the compartment.
This video is pretty instructive..and scary. The tail boom on the -135 is just a tube bolted onto the back end of the "egg," right between the engines. I get what he was doing...trying to make a running landing back at the runway. But this does motivate me to get down fast if I have secondaries. That said, with the airport so close, and what looks to be not a lot of options to put it down right underneath him...sheesh, that sucks.
Great explanation. I can’t imagine a worse scenario and I am amazed there were (relatively) unharmed crew members.
Walt6541
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It won't let me upload the banner image for some reason, but for any AWs in the New England area, the Flight4CF Foundation is holding an Aviation Family Days event at the Beverly Regional Airport on 23 and 24 September. My CAP Squadron is located at BVY and is supporting the event once again. Come out and support a good cause if you can! If you come by look for the CAP booths and aircraft, I'll be the short dude in blues looking irritated. Our squadron building has a great deck for photos!
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BVY is such a great airport - have flown in there many times! Between that and OWD - are my go-to flying GA into the Boston area.It won't let me upload the banner image for some reason, but for any AWs in the New England area, the Flight4CF Foundation is holding an Aviation Family Days event at the Beverly Regional Airport on 23 and 24 September. My CAP Squadron is located at BVY and is supporting the event once again. Come out and support a good cause if you can! If you come by look for the CAP booths and aircraft, I'll be the short dude in blues looking irritated. Our squadron building has a great deck for photos!
Beverly Airport Family Days - Flight4CF, Beverly, MA Cystic Fibrosis Nonprofit
Come see aviation honored in all shapes and sizes at Beverly Airport on September 23-24. September 23-24, 2023Beverly Regional Airport50 L P Henderson RdBeverly, MA 01915 $2 Suggested DonationDonations Benefit Cystic Fibrosis Parking is available at the airport and at these nearby locations:Aero...
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Say hello to my CAP-USAF colleague Matt (C-5 guy).It won't let me upload the banner image for some reason, but for any AWs in the New England area, the Flight4CF Foundation is holding an Aviation Family Days event at the Beverly Regional Airport on 23 and 24 September. My CAP Squadron is located at BVY and is supporting the event once again. Come out and support a good cause if you can! If you come by look for the CAP booths and aircraft, I'll be the short dude in blues looking irritated. Our squadron building has a great deck for photos!
Beverly Airport Family Days - Flight4CF, Beverly, MA Cystic Fibrosis Nonprofit
Come see aviation honored in all shapes and sizes at Beverly Airport on September 23-24. September 23-24, 2023Beverly Regional Airport50 L P Henderson RdBeverly, MA 01915 $2 Suggested DonationDonations Benefit Cystic Fibrosis Parking is available at the airport and at these nearby locations:Aero...
Walt6541
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Will do!! I don't know if I've met him yet. Next time you're in the BVY area give me a shout! I'm less than 10min from the airport.
hlg6016
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I'll ride up and take a look.It won't let me upload the banner image for some reason, but for any AWs in the New England area, the Flight4CF Foundation is holding an Aviation Family Days event at the Beverly Regional Airport on 23 and 24 September. My CAP Squadron is located at BVY and is supporting the event once again. Come out and support a good cause if you can! If you come by look for the CAP booths and aircraft, I'll be the short dude in blues looking irritated. Our squadron building has a great deck for photos!
Beverly Airport Family Days - Flight4CF, Beverly, MA Cystic Fibrosis Nonprofit
Come see aviation honored in all shapes and sizes at Beverly Airport on September 23-24. September 23-24, 2023Beverly Regional Airport50 L P Henderson RdBeverly, MA 01915 $2 Suggested DonationDonations Benefit Cystic Fibrosis Parking is available at the airport and at these nearby locations:Aero...
Is the event kid-friendly? My little guy is 19 months old.. might fun to make the drive up to check it out.It won't let me upload the banner image for some reason, but for any AWs in the New England area, the Flight4CF Foundation is holding an Aviation Family Days event at the Beverly Regional Airport on 23 and 24 September. My CAP Squadron is located at BVY and is supporting the event once again. Come out and support a good cause if you can! If you come by look for the CAP booths and aircraft, I'll be the short dude in blues looking irritated. Our squadron building has a great deck for photos!
Beverly Airport Family Days - Flight4CF, Beverly, MA Cystic Fibrosis Nonprofit
Come see aviation honored in all shapes and sizes at Beverly Airport on September 23-24. September 23-24, 2023Beverly Regional Airport50 L P Henderson RdBeverly, MA 01915 $2 Suggested DonationDonations Benefit Cystic Fibrosis Parking is available at the airport and at these nearby locations:Aero...