SELRES to VTU Question (Acronym Heavy)

[sevenhelmet]

Looking for a bit of procedural help. To make a long story short, I'm trying to convert from SELRES to VTU. The YN2 at my local NOSC directed me to submit a transfer request in the form of a TRUIC change on RFMT, similar to the "Apply" process. I clicked the link entitled "TRUIC change", and filled out the request.

My request was disapproved. Along with the disapproval came the statement, "In accordance with the TRUIC Change Policy Guidance Transfers to APU/VTU from a paid status is not authorized."

Huh? So I can't go from SELRES to VTU? Was I simply given a bad vector for how to do it?

Thanks for any help decoding this.

 

[squorch2]

lol I went through this exact scenario.

Get RCC N1 involved asap - they'll provide training to the NOSC admin folks who don't understand that yes, you can sure as hell transfer to the VTU.

NOSC may ask for a special request chit to document your unit CO's approval. Can't hurt to have that in advance.

When your transfer does go through, check your orders to make sure you're assigned to the correct VTU - sometimes the NOSC will assign you to THEIR VTU, not the one geographically closest to you.

ETA: RCC N12 is the shop code you need.

 

[sevenhelmet]

lol I went through this exact scenario.

Get RCC N1 involved asap - they'll provide training to the NOSC admin folks who don't understand that yes, you can sure as hell transfer to the VTU.

NOSC may ask for a special request chit to document your unit CO's approval. Can't hurt to have that in advance.

When your transfer does go through, check your orders to make sure you're assigned to the correct VTU - sometimes the NOSC will assign you to THEIR VTU, not the one geographically closest to you.

ETA: RCC N12 is the shop code you need.

Squorch,

Thanks. The disapproval came from an admin E5 somewhere outside my NOSC, I don't even know who he is. I'm cross-assigned, so I'll need to check with my currently assigned unit and see if he's one of theirs.

NOSC VTU is my closest geographical unit, and they are currently planning on picking me up for their VTU. Copy all on getting the NOSC CO's concurrence documented.

 

[squorch2]

Really and truly, get RCC (both of them) N12 on a common email thread and they will unhose it with a quickness.

I tried and tried to work with my old NOSC and nothing happened until I shot an email to some RCC senior chief (with all parties + NOSC XO on CC, I'm not a monster), who called me within a day or so and hashed everything out.

Well, everything in that first step. (RFMT approval.) Still a couple more steps after that to really get everything aligned in NSIPS, etc.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Just wondering. If you’re VTU do you still retain your CAC and NSIPS access?

 

[Hair Warrior]

I sadly know all the acronyms in this thread. Did you title it or did a mod add it?

Yeah, as sqorch said, the dropping to IRR process has to be done separately, prior to applying for an IRR-VTU unit. Per secondhand observations, be prepared to have it kicked back a time or two along the way (or maybe you will get lucky on the first try).

Just wondering. If you’re VTU do you still retain your CAC and NSIPS access?

Yes, I’m 99% that’s true. IRR-ASP, you don’t.

 

[AFUAW]

When I did it, the E-6 in the NOSC Manpower office had me fill out a special request chit, and he handled everything else. I was in the VTU in a few weeks.

Just wondering. If you’re VTU do you still retain your CAC and NSIPS access?

Yes. CAC and all the usual Navy Reserve websites.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Can confirm all of the above is true (CAC and NSIPS access). It's basically monthly drill, no required AT, essentially zero chance of an invol MOB, but regular drills = no pay. Really meant for HYT sailors or folks who want to keep the points going toward retirement with minimal overhead. Can continue to apply for paid AT, voluntary drills, and orders, as unit funding allows.

It takes a special request chit + VTU application through the local NOSC (admin CoC), not the cross-assigned unit (if applicable). Mine was kicked back twice due to procedural misunderstandings by everyone. VTU transfers are apparently less common than I realized. Start the process early, it's very "Navy" flavored, and doesn't happen quickly. I started mine in June and I don't have 100% resolution yet, although I believe we are close.

I'm part of the problem, as I don't check in often enough- work and life have been busy.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Can confirm all of the above is true (CAC and NSIPS access). It's basically monthly drill, no required AT, essentially zero chance of an invol MOB, but regular drills = no pay. Really meant for HYT sailors or folks who want to keep the points going toward retirement with minimal overhead. Can continue to apply for paid AT, voluntary drills, and orders, as unit funding allows.

It takes a special request chit + VTU application through the local NOSC (admin CoC), not the cross-assigned unit (if applicable). Mine was kicked back twice due to procedural misunderstandings by everyone. VTU transfers are apparently less common than I realized. Start the process early, it's very "Navy" flavored, and doesn't happen quickly. I started mine in June and I don't have 100% resolution yet, although I believe we are close.

I'm part of the problem, as I don't check in often enough- work and life have been busy.

Do you know with VTU if you can stack drills?

Example- my employer gives me 2 weeks of military leave a year, can I stack 2 weeks of drills and use them over that time period to take advantage of the mil leave policy offered?

 

[Jim123]

Do you know with VTU if you can stack drills?

As long as you get your admin stuff done on time then most NOSCs won't care when you (re)schedule your drills. (GMT, PRT, PHA, dental readiness, etc.) A lot of things have been telework or waived because of covid, just understand that all that has temporarily made things unusually flexible.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Do you know with VTU if you can stack drills?

Example- my employer gives me 2 weeks of military leave a year, can I stack 2 weeks of drills and use them over that time period to take advantage of the mil leave policy offered?

I think @wink was able to get BGO recruiting duty to count, and not drill with the VTU unit.

I think @bubblehead was able to stack nonpays together for two weeks, to earn points plus receive civilian job differential pay.

(Gentlemen, please correct me if that’s at all wrong/ got you confused with someone else.)

 

[nodropinufaka]

I feel like the 2 weeks mil leave policy is something that I def want to use and not give up. It’s a really really good benefit and while I’m not getting paid for drills at least I’m getting some from my work.

 

[wink]

As a BGO you drill whenever you want and simply report that to USNA. I think it would be hard to do 2 weeks/10 days of drills in a row just because BGO duty does not lend itself to that. If you worked on a big project for the Area Coordinator (the "boss") it might work.

I was also on the staff of NAVEUR, then in London, and we could stack as many drills as we wanted. The active dudes preferred to have us in on weekdays so as to better contribute. That was especially so in N31 where I worked. As an airline guy I took full advantage.

 

[vxc961]

I’m pretty sure BGO isn’t an option for VTU; oldies like me who were BGOs before the big IRR crackdown were grandfathered in, but I’m pretty sure that deal doesn’t apply for new BGOs.

I think I still have a good email for the BGO reserve liaison; PM if interested and I’ll pass it on.

beyond that though, you can use mil leave for VTU drills, and you can also think about signing up for funeral honors; you get paid one drill for doing them (even in the VTU) and I felt like I was doing something much more worthwhile than anything I ever did at the NOSC.

 

[bubblehead]

Do you know with VTU if you can stack drills?

Example- my employer gives me 2 weeks of military leave a year, can I stack 2 weeks of drills and use them over that time period to take advantage of the mil leave policy offered?

Of course you can stack drills. While in the VTU you are just like a SELRES with the exceptions of 1) No AT requirement and 2) no pay. You have a tremendous amount of flexibility to do what you want.